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Barn find Alloy Daytona coupe on ebay

Discussion in 'Vintage Ferrari Market' started by Chelle, Sep 12, 2004.

  1. Gatarz

    Gatarz Rookie

    Sep 11, 2004
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    I would just like to comment on this bidding war going on for the Daytona. I assume both hi-bid guys have contacted the selling party in Japan, had someone trustworthy verify the ownership, authenticity and condition of the car and so on. if not, the whole auction (and this long thread) could just be an exercise in futility.

    If I were interested in buying the car, I would get my Japan based agent on the phone and have him show up in front of the seller, well before the auction ends, with a certified check drawn on a Japanese bank for the full amount of my comfortable purchase price. Offer the seller a take-it-now-or-leave-it decision on the spot.

    The seller, having no major investment in his eBay history to protect, and being in Japan, reasonably far enough away from the American bidders to be immune from any legal repercussions, would then have to decide to cancel the auction and take the bird in the hand - the check - or let the auction run it's course and risk a fake bidding war by a couple of teenagers at the 11th hour, or whatever else might happen in the unregulated, unvetted universe of eBay.

    But then this is all in my mind, and I haven't had lunch yet.
     
  2. lukek

    lukek Formula 3

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    Bill;

    I know what you mean when you characterize E-bay. I found my GTE through ebay 2.5 yrs ago. It was in the Netherlands. I was the third highest bidder (did not win the auction that ended at $42K). In the end, both high bidders flaked. Yours truly arranged a PPI through AME Engineering in Holland, offerred in the mid 30s for the car that was essentially in 2-, 3+ condition, and had it on the container ship to California within 2 weeks.
    The marketplace is, surprise, an amazing reflection of the real world, good deals and random flakes in abundance.
    All the best.

    PS> Me and one of your sales guys were once only $1.5K off on a GTC4 deal. But I hope to do business with your firm again.

    thx
    luke
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  3. robsandiego

    robsandiego Rookie

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    Met these guys at monterey in 2003. They're legit.
     
  4. billnoon

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    To all concerned with this vehicle, please be advised that I nor will Symbolic Motor Car Company be bidding further on this car.

    No one should take our earlier interest in this vehicle as an indication of its originality or lack there of.

    All perspective buyers should do their own research and careful inspection always prior to purchasing any vehicle.

    Regards,

    Bill Noon
     
  5. Erich

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    It is continuing.

    Bill, thanks for the update on your plans. I'm not sure if they clarify the situation or not. :)

    Erich
     
  6. toto70_0

    toto70_0 F1 Rookie

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    Sorry I am out the price is getting to high and I found out that the guy who is selling the car on ebay does not own the car but is trying to sell the car before he buys the car. So the deal could still not go through.
    If the actual owner reads this message please contact me I am still willing to buy the car.

    TOTO70_0
     
  7. atheyg

    atheyg Guest

    The seller posted the car here for $250k first before ebay. Since he doesn't even own the car the ebay ad is very misleading, I would now suspect scam bidders raising the price to the sellers $250k original asking price.
     
  8. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Can't see bidding without being registered...who's on it, after Bill Noon and the Europeans dropped out....anyone know?????

    Amazing it's come to light the seller doesn't even OWN it! Ebay have rules about that sort of thing?????
     
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  10. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    No one's tag name we recognize? There's a Post in NW Section indicating someone there we may know.......
     
  11. Gatarz

    Gatarz Rookie

    Sep 11, 2004
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    I have identified the high bidder. He is a Ferrari enthusiast from Cranston, RI. He has a 512BB, a GTO, a TR, a 360 and a 550. Well, actually, he has posters of each of those cars on his bedroom wall. He has a Nintendo Game Boy, likes spaghetti, and hopes to get good grades in school so his dad will buy him a new BMX bike for Christmas.

    Just kidding (of course). But such is the problem with buying on eBay. You never know if you are in a legit bidding war, or if you are in a bogus auction that will be relisted when the neighborhood reclusive teenage computer freak wins.

    It seems it has been established that the seller in this case doesn't even own the vehicle - and therefore is essentially promugating a fraud, even if he intends to buy the car and resell it to the auction winner. Of course, this also provides the winning bidder with a perfect escape route - you can't be obligated to buy something that the seller doesn't own. Or something like that!
     
  12. ArtS

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    Good point! Why don't we have a bidding war on it and see if we can get it past $1M.
     
  13. Gatarz

    Gatarz Rookie

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    Arts,

    I would join you in that faux bidding war - but I have a legit eBay reputation with 100% positive feedback to protect and I would cry if it got messed up! $1 Million sounds good though. Maybe $2M!
     
  14. ArtS

    ArtS F1 Veteran
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    Gatarz,

    Mine is still 100% too. Let’s create new accounts ant take it to $3M! Think about it, we have the power to make it worth as much as a GTO - at least in eBay land. Remember, rumor has it that the seller is selling the car without the owners consent. Can I offer you a 1963 250 GTO? Starting bid only $5. If you bid high enough I will talk to the owner to see what we can work out.

    Regards,

    Art S.
     
  15. stevep

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    wish i could find something like that in my barn
     
  16. mike_kuhn

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    Anyone know what happened?
     
  17. Meeyatch1

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    So much for the theory that all the good barn cars have already been found. Hehehe. Here is another one sadly waiting for a caring owner.
     
  18. Meeyatch1

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    I just want to know how someone gets a hold of such a wonderful automobile as this rare Daytona, then leaves it in a barn uncovered for decades to just rot. Makes no sense to me.
     
  19. SefacHotRodder

    SefacHotRodder F1 World Champ

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    Guy buys car. puts away. dies

    or

    guy buys car. wife finds out. guy goes missing, car is left... ;)


    simple ;)
     
  20. Meeyatch1

    Meeyatch1 Formula 3

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    Hehe...yeah, both good theories. Actually, I read about a Lamborghini barn car that was found in an old garage and the story behind it was that the husband who owned the car was shot by his wife for some sort of reason and she just left his Lambo to rot accordingly. Strange stuff happens out there I guess.
     
  21. toto70_0

    toto70_0 F1 Rookie

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    Does anybody know where that Daytona in Japan is, maybe there is somebody on this site who knows the owner.

    Please contact me.

    Tony van der Velden
    Netherlands
    Email:stephanievelden@tiscali.nl
     
  22. judge4re

    judge4re F1 World Champ

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    I'll be in Japan next week. Tell me where the car is and I'll go look at it. I don't have time for games, but if someone sends me the real information, I'll go take a look.
     
  23. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Tony....it's right beside the empty dog food bag..............;)
     
  24. Zupra

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    Hi bubba!
     
  25. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Hi, little man!

    Can you help find this Dusty Daytona in Japan??????

    Kinda like..."Where's Waldo". Let's find the last time it bought gas, 20 years ago...that'll be a clue........
     

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