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  1. DF1

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    I was thinking Mercedes should have made some effort to improve its car in traffic. They did not do well last year when forced to follow at all.
     
  2. Finlander

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    One of the interesting topics in this video is fuel consumption. Apparently Ferrari are still using too much fuel.


     
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    Thanks for posting. German F1 journalists always seem to know so much more than everyone else about what's going on in the sport and what's going on with the cars.

    Everyone seems to agree Haas will be very strong in the mid-field this year. Finishing 4th in their third season would be like winning the wcc.
     
  4. jgonzalesm6

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    I still don't understand why the Renault's exhaust isn't considered a "blown defuser". Clearly it's aimed to accelerate the airflow under the rear wing.

    More airflow makes more downforce or the same downforce with less drag.
     
  6. Mitch Alsup

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    More airflow escaping = cooler running.
     
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  8. DF1

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    Wow-- https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/134789/mercedes-qualifying-pace-still-unknown

    Mercedes Formula 1 driver Valtteri Bottas says the team's one-lap pace is "unknown" going to Australia because it did not feel the need to discover it during pre-season testing.

    Lewis Hamilton set Mercedes' fastest time over two weeks at Barcelona but was 1.3 seconds slower than Sebastian Vettel's pacesetting Ferrari, with Bottas another tenth behind.

    But Mercedes came out on top during the race simulations and Bottas said its focus on long runs means it will not have an indicator of its pure pace until qualifying for the Australian Grand Prix in two weeks.

    "The long runs and race simulation was very positive," said Bottas.

    "We don't think we're anyway near one second ahead of everyone - that's not the case. [But] it was positive.

    "It's nice to get some race simulation under my belt and feel the tyres and the car in the long run.

    "There's so much more time in testing to try different things in the car and get comfortable in there. Lewis was pretty much doing the same.

    "For us, I have to say the pure one-lap pace is unknown, but I guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks."

    Bottas said that Mercedes did not "feel the need to go for the absolute maximum" in testing and is confident its W09 will react well in qualifying trim.

    "We know that once everything is right, qualifying settings and all that will show just how quick the car will go," he said.

    "We try to maximise the learning [in testing], have consistent running of different settings that really see the difference and focus on ourselves rather than the timesheet."
     
  9. jgonzalesm6

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    and to include

    The W09 is ‘awful lot quicker’ – Mercedes

    https://www.f1technical.net/news/21547
     
  10. DF1

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    Yes only testing but this is simply not good for our season ahead lol :)
     
  11. jgonzalesm6

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    The secret behind floor tunnels on Ferrari's SF71H 2018 F1 car

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    Ferrari's 2018 SF71H Formula 1 car grabbed attention in pre-season testing thanks to the appearance of new bodywork tunnels exiting alongside the gearbox.

    The intrigue over the tunnels was such that they prompted some wild conspiracy theories about double diffusers, although these suggestions were wide of the mark.

    These channels are instead the latest step of a clever design path that Ferrari has been working on in recent seasons.

    Since 2016, Ferrari began working on the idea of an extra channel on top of the diffuser area to help direct airflow. This trench was previously left open, but for this year it has taken the step of covering it to increase its power.

    The extra push in this area is also directly linked to the team's decision to increase its car's wheelbase this year.

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    Although last year's SF70H was in a class of its own on high-downforce tracks like Monaco and Hungary, it lacked the balance and aerodynamic efficiency required on more flowing circuits.

    Increasing the wheelbase for 2018 - from 3550mm to 3678mm - allows the team to better manage airflow across the car's surfaces, and especially at the rear of the car, without it forcing the need for high-drag wings.

    As Giorgio Piola's drawing (above) shows, Ferrari has achieved its longer car by moving its front wheels forward a little bit, but its rear wheels have been shifted backwards much more.

    As well as lengthening the sidepods, the team has also moved the radiators and power unit forward to free up some space at the rear. This has the benefit of allowing the team to run ultra-tight packaging at the rear of the car.

    But as well as very narrow sculpted bodywork at the rear, the design has opened up the chance to exploit more the airflow around the diffuser.

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    This means the channels run right alongside the wall of the new gearbox, which helps accelerate airflow to help feed the diffuser.

    You can also see how Ferrari has shaped the gearbox covering to help channel air too.

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    The outlets that can be seen at the rear of the car are actually fed by a trough in the floor that has been present on the last few generations of car (2016's SF16H above).

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    Rather than the trough being exposed as it was in the past, Ferrari has now shrouded it with bodywork so the airflow around the coke bottle region has contours to follow.

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    This bodywork should provide a protective barrier for the flow, helping it to navigate the region more effectively over a wider number of operating conditions.

    The team will hope that the SF71H delivers its peak performance more consistently at different tracks - and is especially better on the longer flowing circuits where Mercedes excelled in 2017.

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/134791/the-secret-behind-ferrari-floor-tunnels
     
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    So, from what i have been reading and heard, Mercs shold be further ahead then they were last year, Reb Bull should have the best engine and Ferrari lost s9ome momentum. Seems the reds are having some trouble with traction entering high speed corners, the excessive raking is giving them some trouble...let's hope this si all wrong and that ferrari is a beast of a car....
     
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    I think it's a new car that they don't fully understand yet. Theoretically it tics all the boxes however they still are yet to get all the systems perfectly gelled into superior performance
     
  14. TheMayor

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    Everyone in F1 is saying the Ferrari is slow and "disappointing". Perhaps they need some time to work with it. It may develop as the season goes along.

    Also the mystery oil or vapor from the rear has people wondering.
     
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    I wonder if the marshalls are going to let all that "steam" action in the pits during FP and Quali. They may deem that process as a safety concern with all the pit personnel and other drivers.
     
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    They may be pushing the "oil burning" rule to the max -- or beyond. Had to say but it's very, very weird.

    And why doesn't the Alfa have it?
     
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    Alfa had it during testing as well....they vented it out of these tubes from inside the garage. Yeah, very weird.
     
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    and as we're talking about it..........


    Ferrari's smoking 2018 car: What's it all about and is it a problem?


    There was an unusual phenomenon during winter testing - the smoking Ferrari SF71-H.

    Every time the Scuderia's new car left the team's garage it trailed a plume of oily smoke, which wafted across the Circuit de Catalunya pit lane.

    So what exactly was going on - and why?

    Sky F1's Ted Kravitz explains:

    "Each of the Ferrari-engined cars - so that's the factory Ferrari, the Haas and the Sauber - has a letterbox shaped rectangular vent directly underneath the rain light housed within the rear crash structure.

    "It's there to accommodate an oil breather.

    "Breathers are essential parts of any power unit on every car, but this year they've been subject to a new rule which says they must vent to the outside and cannot be routed back into the engine. This suggests teams were doing that previously which could have given them a power boost - but anyway, what is unusual, is that these Ferrari-engined cars are spewing out more oil than Renault or Mercedes-engined cars.

    "There's a fine mist of oil coming out the Ferrari, Haas and Sauber's vents when out on track or even just when they are going down the pitlane.

    "You could notice it, for instance, on the test two, day one edition of Ted's Notebook.

    "It was abundantly clear whenever Sebastian Vettel fired up in the garage because a huge plume spilled out of the garage

    "Asking around, it seems to be that the Ferrari engine simply uses an awful lot more oil than its rivals.

    "It is, though, a different thing to oil burning which is now limited to 1.8 litres per race. That's oil that gets consumed within the combustion chamber. This is just used engine oil - a lot of it!

    "The phenomenon of the smokin' Ferraris will be one to watch out for when racing starts."

    http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11287251/ferraris-smoking-2018-car-whats-it-all-about-and-is-it-a-problem
     
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    Maybe they recycled 355 valve guides. :)
     
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    A plume out a breather on start-up seems odd. Oil isn't hot yet. However a plume out the exhaust on start-up means oil in the cylinders.

    How do they measure what gets 'consumed' vs what 'is just used'?
     
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    Pretty simple...after the race when the car is in Parc Ferme they will check....
     
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    The quoted article stated that what was occurring is "a different thing to oil burning which is now limited to 1.8 litres per race".
     
  23. vinuneuro

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    Sounds like Ted is trying to explain oil consumption at the rings vs. what goes back in through the crankcase ventilation system (with a closed system).

    The oil burn at start-up is not new. Renault were doing this last year and it was explained that they over-filled the oil tanks. Interestingly their engines would also do this getting away from the grid after extended idling (but maybe that was more related to the turbo issues they had?), so much so that many times I thought engines had failed on the grid. I don't know enough about dry-sump systems to know why they'd overfill their oil tanks but that's probably what's happening at start-up with the Ferrari.

    With regards to the 'oil burn' last year I believe they just essentially used an ecu controlled pcv valve to increase the crankcase pressure when they wanted to let more oil into the combustion chamber. Clearly the combustion related gain must have been huge, because it was enough to overcome the associated windage losses and produce a large net positive gain.

    They can't do this year since the crankcase vent system is now open to the atmosphere. Whatever is coming out of the small tube is just the result of normal combustion gas getting past the rings. If it's more than the other engines, it could be related to anything from ring design and tension to the oil scavenging system.
     
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    From the sound of it, the crank case pressure might be boost > rpm related. A loose tolerance piston will obviously have excessive blow by at low rpms/boost and, at start up, idle, and leaving the pit, this is the exact condition of the engine and would explain it.
     
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    Ferrari's smokescreen is their version of an old James Bond trick to blind others at race starts. Brilliant and cool
     
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