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  1. Capt. Rich

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    #1 Capt. Rich, Feb 7, 2023
    I ordered 2 Baldwin B253 oil filters for my 1984 BBi 512. They were delivered today, but they are Baldwin B2. I cannot find a cross reference saying these will fit a BBi. Will these be OK?
     
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    #2 Steve Magnusson, Feb 7, 2023
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    Sort of OK (like almost any cheapy American V8 oil filter with a 3/4-16 thread will fit), but I don't like it -- too low a bypass valve opening spec and has the G381-A gasket (not the G401 gasket). For a Boxer, you should use the Baldwin B252 (since the oil filters are not mounted inverted there is no need for the B253 with the internal standpipe). Also my guess would be that the B2 would have a less rugged outer case than the B252.

    Where did you order from?
     
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    #3 Capt. Rich, Feb 8, 2023
    I ordered from Amazon. It was listed as a B253. When they arrived they were B2. Once again, thanks for your knowledge.
     
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    #4 Rifledriver, Feb 8, 2023
    I have never researched it but there are several name brand quality inexpensive filters marketed as high performance filters that will fit because as Steve said, no need for stand pipe. One of us should see if valve and pressure ratings are appropriate. Only advantage is they would be available at local parts store.
     
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    #5 Capt. Rich, Feb 8, 2023
    Hey guys, I see filters all over the place that say they would work with a BBi-- K&N, Fram, Baldwin etc. I picked Baldwin because I run them in my diesel engines, Cummins, Ford Lehman. The price seems right. Would there be any benefit going with UFI. More money but as often as I change the oil who cares.
     
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    #6 Steve Magnusson, Feb 8, 2023
    I'd use whichever (Baldwin or UFI) that I could get at lower cost with less hassle - if in the US, that's usually Baldwin; if in Europe/ROW, it's usually UFI.
     
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    #7 Rifledriver, Feb 8, 2023
    No advantage to UFI over Baldwin. Same filters on 308 and many brands advertise as compatible but are not. But for BB some really are. Just takes some research.

    Original owner of the company was a Ferrari guy so they made filters for the cars...correctly.
     
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    #8 Capt. Rich, Feb 9, 2023
    I went with K&N HP 3001 filters and Valvoline 20-50 VR racing oil with added zinc. I was not happy with the looks of the oil I replaced. It had about 600 miles and just under 2 years of use. I usually change my oil once a year on every Ferrari I have owned. I bought this BBi with an engine out service just prior to my taking possession. The paperwork listed 13 qts of synthetic 10W-40W oil. I guess these engines with early injection don't burn that clean. The drain plug indents were filled with a slurry of oil and wear particles. Nothing alarming, although I would think a mechanic would take the couple minutes to clean these bolts.
     
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    #9 turbo-joe, Feb 10, 2023
    why use synthetic oil in a BB or BBi?
     
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    #10 Capt. Rich, Feb 10, 2023
    Hey Turbo Joe, That was my thought as well. All the Ferraris I have owned have been older and I have always used the Valvoline 20W-50W VR1 racing oil. I had no say in the engine out service on the car. It was performed about a month before I bought the car. My curiosity has been peaked by how the old oil looks. I will try and upload a photo. I don't know if much can be found in a photo.
     
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    #11 turbo-joe, Feb 10, 2023
    the synthetic oil ist too thin and the cast aluminum at that time has been more like a sponge. even it was much better than at that time 10 years before. so you had no problem with leaking oil?
     
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    #12 Capt. Rich, Feb 10, 2023
    I had no leaks. I was surprised to never see the infamous drips on the garage floor. Obviously synthetic oil is great but it has its place. In my old diesels I run straight Shell Rotella 40W in the Lehmans and 20W-40W in the Cummins. Our newer VW diesel gets LiquiMoly full synthetic and the motorhome gets Shell synthetic blend. I like me some diesels.
     
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    #13 Rifledriver, Feb 10, 2023
    My policy and that of many others working on those back when new was synthetic oil in the cars with aluminum cylinders and Mahle pistons and dinosaur oil in cars with iron cylinders and the Italian pistons. The iron cylinder cars like the BBi have a reputation for burning some oil and the synthetic oil makes it worse. The cars with Mahle pistons and cylinders like your old 512 were far more advanced and had very little trouble with oil burning and so we took advantage of synthetic oil.

    20-50 Valvoline is a good choice for it.
     
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    #14 Capt. Rich, Feb 10, 2023
    Hey guys, Once again thanks for all the years of knowledge.
     

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