any thoughts on how the 458's dual clutch and the aventador's single clutch compare?
Well the 458 is faster, smoother and better overall. The only thing that the aventador transmission might be better is that it "punchs" you when up shifting. But, still, most of people complain about it. Lamborghini seems to be in the XX century. Ferraris doesn't have clutch wear, while Lamborghini wear their clutch a lot. Summering it all up: 458 transmission >>>>>> aventador
Well, that's what owners told me. Also, try to find their forum online, and you will see that. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. But what I said is my experience.
Oh, I thought he meant in general. Yeah, DCT will probably last longer. I think you could easy get 30-40K miles out of a modern Lamborghini though.
Drove the Aventador angrily. Absolutely HATED the transmission. It tries to tear your head off every shift. In comparison my LP640 Murcie wasn't nearly as violent, and the 458 transmission is just about perfect, albeit a tad boring at times but you can't have it both ways. The transmisson in the Aventador is the single item in the car preventing me from buying it. I just don't get the Lambo argument for wanting "emotion" and hence not installing a DCT. Terrible decision.
There is a rational basis for 99% of high end sports cars using a DCT. When you hammer your 458 on a daily basis you want smooth and buttery silk gear swapping. Your steed should never lurch at slow speeds nor should upshifting cause noticeable chassis convulsions at higher speeds (particularly mid-corner as in the Aventador). The 458 gives me the best tranny I have ever had. There are zero hiccups at slow in town speeds and you can upshift at speed mid-corner (though not recommended). IMHO the bill Bull single clutch tranny is simply archaic as it lurches at slow speeds and causes chassis fits when upshifting under full power. Lambo will absolutely need to go to a DCT in their next model series (ie. Gallardo/Aventador replacement). Their are many, like me, who use the 458 as DD and the Aventador tranny simple killed that car as a DD option. All of that being said, the 458 will still never ever sound like the big Bull. The Lambo bark is extraordinary. If I was driving her just 1 day a week I'd opt for the Aventador. As a DD 458 all the way.
I owen a 458 and a Galardo. The 458 is fast and buttery smooth, the Galardo no so. The Galardo in sport mode pops the throttle when it down shift which is nice. The exhuast sound also becomes more entertaining. As the gentleman says the 458 tranny is "Just about perfect" and I agree Lee
i just dont get it why you need a brutal punch. When you are driving a manual car are you looking for making a smooth change or a clunky one. why simulate a shift for someone who cant shift a manual car the egear in both gallardo and lp640 big disappointment for me
Not sure when you drove it, but I've heard there was a software update that improved it. I think it still gives you a kick in corsa mode, but I think strada and sport have been improved quite a bit.
It's a bit big to run errands in and such, no? Maybe this will change your mind though. Check out the latest software update. +8% low end power/tq. Sounds incredible: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYpIYvO04Bw]Lamborghini Atlanta presents the new 2013 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 Sport Exhaust - YouTube[/ame]
Correct me if I am wrong here but, whether it is the DCG, PDK, Audis new StepTronic...etc, any of those double-clutch units are really not designed to have their clutch units replaced as-does the F1 or RTronic/Lambo eGear (single electro-mechanical) clutch systems which are true dry-clutch. Point there being if you step into a DC car, the maint or replacement of anything inside that is a non-issue, whereas with the other you, are easy. (In fact I would imagine that if you really had to compare a apples-to-apples value on the clutch replacements in both the DC would be astronomical to do)
Not that I know enough about the engineering issues involved but would it not be possible to swop to a DCT if the market demands it rather than wait for a new model?
drove the 2013 avent with the sport exhaust and exhaust bypass and new software: the tranny is just as sluggish and the sound is far softer than the 458 with the exhaust bypass, the atlanta video shows the revs in an enclosed space so sound is naturally louder, outdoors the sound is disappointing imho even in corsa and with exhaust open
avent engine sound also has an excessively pronounced mechanical 'whine' and not enough engine sound trickles in the cabin imho: compare sounds in these two videos: the avent is a 2013 with sport exhaust bypass and had open valves and was in corsa mode, the 458 is running on sunoco gt 100 oxygenated racing fuel with open exhaust valves and a bmc carbon racing air filter and titanium exhaust tips ps check out the shift times in the avent if you can pinpoint them aurally (for example check out the slow upshift happening at 00:10 and 00:25 in the video), the SC transmission's shifts are so slow (even in corsa) it almost sounds like the car has a manual trans. on the upshifts (downshifts are faster as in 00:21) 458 video: 4:08 to 4:12 / 4:57 to 5:02 / 6:06 to 6:12 (ps cant imagine what the scud will sound like lol) [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQUvThEDLUA]Lamborghini Aventador LP-700-4 Coupe cruise no.1 - YouTube[/ame] [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWc2AdErGco]Ferrari 458 italia running 100 octane racing fuel - YouTube[/ame]
Lamborghini's official explanation is that a double clutch system would add 50 kg of extra weight which would eliminate the advantage of faster gear changes. They claim a 50 msec time between gear changes
Hmm, 458 does sound better. Oddly, there is a 458 that drives by my place quite often and sounds 10x better than that 458, and I think it's stock. I guess I'd need to hear them both in real life though, as I've never seen a video whose sound was even close to what they sound like in person.
Love the 458's burble and pops on the over-run. Ferrari should not have tuned that out for the 2012+ cars, especially in race mode. Aventador also sounds sweet. Can't argue with 12 cylinders and a turbine like wail.
