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Auto Insurance in SC - Need Collector Insurance Recommendations

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  1. 348SStb

    348SStb F1 Rookie
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    Hi neighbors,

    I searched the archives and found some ancient threads on this topic, so thought I’d ask for some fresh help.

    Please share some names of known auto insurance companies in SC that have good pricing and offer agreed value — according to the parameters I’ve specified below.
    Also, if you have the name of an independent agency that specializes in this kind of auto insurance in SC, please share.

    About me:
    - primary residence in FL, many luxury high-dollar cars with State Farm in FL
    - I have American Modern in FL for a few specialty cars and their product and price are great
    - I have lots of experience with auto insurance for many cars in many different states; but I’m fairly new to South Carolina, I don’t know many folks there, and I need a good collector company that will insure my specialty cars for an agreed value.
    - I currently have State Farm in SC and while the prices are pretty good, a collector company with agreed value is more appropriate for specialty cars.

    Parameters:
    - Let’s not talk about Hagerty and Grundy; most of us know about these names; and while excellent carriers, their pricing has gone out of control
    - I pay around $1100 per car with State Farm on average in FL which is the #1 most expensive auto insurance State in the US; I don’t expect to pay some huge amount more in SC (I expect to pay less, but that’s a hope)
    - I pay around $600 per car in FL with American Modern with very generous agreed values
    - When I attempted to quote American Modern in SC, I received a ridiculous quote north of $3,000 per car per year
    - Same kind of terrible SC quote turned up when I attempted to quote Condon Skelly directly

    I imagine the information exchanged in this thread would be helpful to many.

    Thank you!
     
  2. Alpintourer

    Alpintourer F1 Rookie
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    Jul 20, 2013
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    I have Safeco, a Liberty Mutual Co., on my 03 Ferrari Spider and my 09 Aston DB9. With a 2019 Ford Flex on the policy I'm paying $3300. I'm sorry I don't have a breakdown at hand but the DB9 is the most expensive, I have agreed value at $62K I believe. The Ferrari is the cheapest. I recently went to buy a DBX and my agent said they will not be writing any new Aston policies. I have my Gallardo with Hagerty and that was about all she could get to write it here.
    My agent is:
    Emily Reed, CISR, CPRIA
    Private Client Account Manager, Personal Lines Team Lead
    HUB International Southeast
    PO Box 1820
    Bluffton, SC 29910
    843-837-0942 Phone
    1-888-563-5261 Fax
    [email protected]

    She just last month, caught an accident on a DBX I was buying that did not show up on the CarFax. It was a one owner CPO with 3K miles. She saved me $50K in heartache.
     
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  3. 348SStb

    348SStb F1 Rookie
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    Thank you for that recommendation! Sounds like you have a nice setup.
     
  4. PETER@TEAM AI

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    Nov 4, 2014
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    Part of our business being on the other side of dealing with the insurance companies when needing repairs from damage, accident etc. I can state with certainty the common insurance companies mentioned above that do not specialize in exotic and high end cars, yes they cover them and yes some have stated value, but when the car has to be repaired they do not provide near the commitment to do it right and use the best parts in the repair. Owners come out of pocket to do this if they so choose and the companies are fine with this, even with long discussions with adjustors on why the repair needs to be done a certain way to preserve the most value. Not so with companies like Pure, Hagerty, Grundy and other niche companies. Stated value is great when totaled but does not impact repair quality. And we do not represent any of these companies but have done work for all of them.
     
  5. 348SStb

    348SStb F1 Rookie
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    #5 348SStb, Apr 21, 2024
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2024
    Thanks for your reply.

    I am not being wise here or inviting a debate, but I too must offer the other side since you’ve offered the other side.

    Most people who have been insuring high-value cars for decades know a bit about auto insurance, and I for better or for worse am one of those people. Your statement about replacement parts versus OEM parts is one that is very often utilized during a sales conversation — and it is something that never ever applies most of the time.

    The problem with that is this: aftermarket parts are not available or manufactured for most specialty cars like Porsche or Ferrari! The point therefore becomes moot. Yes there are aftermarket parts for Ford, Chevrolet, etc out there, but on a specialty Porsche, or even most or all Porsches, Ferrari, Aston Martin, McLaren — and the list goes on — there are no aftermarket parts.

    Furthermore, having had this conversation with my body shop guy many years ago, he is not going to put any garbage parts on a car just because an insurance company opines that he should do so. I am confident in his ability to convince them to do the right thing because that’s his business, and he’s good at it. (If not, I can afford the difference in price.) Finally, many “aftermarket parts” are just as good as OEM if not better, depending on the application. It’d be wrong to simply state categorically that aftermarket parts are inferior. For example I use Dorman engine oil drain plugs, Mahle and Mann engine air and oil filters, etc etc on the cars.

    I am not worried about an insurance company telling me they are going to use an aftermarket bumper, headlight, or wheel on my Porsche or exotic car because these don’t exist.

    I learned a few years ago that some of the legacy/generic carriers have an “OEM parts” coverage endorsement that can be selected.

    Lastly, one of the problems with some (not all) companies that “specialize” in exotic and high end cars is they try to manage how and when you drive the car and ask many unsettling questions about these at policy start. If it’s not a trap, it’s something close. They do look for reasons either raise the price from normal or to not to cover when the big one happens if you’ve utilized the car during some casual routine purpose which isn’t the Sunday morning drive they dream about.

    For me, there is a sweet spot between having a legacy/generic auto insurer like State Farm with a blah policy at a fairly low price that may or may not pay me correctly when the big one happens and an annoying specialty company who attempts to manage how and when I’ll drive my cars for a high price.
     
  6. Hocakes

    Hocakes Formula Junior

    Apr 24, 2010
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    FL
    I am in FL. I had Heackock Classic which all the paperwork said American Modern Insurance Group. To go $200K or higher in agreed value required a monitored alarm with a smoke/fire detector sensor as part of the setup. I switched to Grundy last year for $250K agreed value as it was cheaper & did not have the alarm requirement. This is a bit of a pain for me as my garage is detached & my wifi doesn't reach there (was going to go with Simplisafe alarm).

    So I know you're not a fan of them but it might be worth a call. The only downside is they do not offer any monthly or quarterly payment plans, you have to pay it lump sum all up front.

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  7. 348SStb

    348SStb F1 Rookie
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    Thank you for your reply. You’re right - I should still give Grundy a try. I’m okay with a lump sump premium — I actually prefer it, since I feel monies are lost when payments are made all the time; and trying to figure out how they add up and to what correct number is a chore to say the least.

    I am fortunate to have a facility having those attributes, and I do have American Modern in FL for a few cars.
     
  8. PETER@TEAM AI

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    #8 PETER@TEAM AI, Apr 21, 2024
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2024
    Dave
    We are on both sides as owners of the cars and running a body shop facility that does primarily high end cars. For 20+ years. I never mentioned aftermarket vs OEM parts that had nothing to do with my point. And we specialize on the ones you mentioned that do not have aftermarket parts. We do RR, Bentley, Ferrari, Lambos, Porsche, AM, ... We rarely do the Fords etc you mentioned but for exceptional customers who asks. We, over decades, have established a world wide network of sources we know provide many aftermarket parts and we agree they are often better. That is why we have no issue using them. We deal with this daily so I think we have good insight into both the provider side and the customer experience and what the insurance companies will pay for. So I will still stand by my point 100%. And it is not "how good you negotiate". Insurance is a business and most adjusters do not have the authority to make many concessions. Been travelling this road daily a long time.

    It appears you think my point was on parts. That is so off based. That is a small percentage of what makes a quality repair that retains the true value of a car. Having insurance pay for parts is often easiest part of getting reimbursed. This we know from doing it daily...

    How the insurance companies sell their services I do not claim to know except my sample of one, myself, which is an irrelevant point.

    But your statement, "I can afford to pay for it" is the key. Pick any insurance company you want understanding the type of repair they will cover can vary a lot. Much of our work is not insurance but owner choice for preservation and pride in ownership, and restoration. On the insurance side we have no issue giving the owner the estimate and letting them know the % their insurance company will pay. Cannot recall a time the owner did not cover the difference. Which model worked better for them financial, paying a bit more premium or lower premiums and out of pocket when needed, we have no idea. To your point maybe that makes a lot more sense for some.
     
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  9. 348SStb

    348SStb F1 Rookie
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    Thanks for your reply. Sorry that I misunderstood you… when you made the statement “but when the car has to be repaired they do not provide near the commitment to do it right and use the best parts in the repair,” to me “best parts” could only have meant OEM parts versus aftermarket parts.

    As far as a repair being done “right,” every body shop that doesn’t outright admit it is a quick-serve ordinary body shop (there are a few of these in every region) claims to do a repair “right” and will sell the job that way. A repair being done right, in my opinion, is the only way to do a repair; and the only way a customer is going to know if a repair will be done right is twofold: he has to first know about cars and about fixing things; and second, he has to have a previous experience with the body shop being chosen for the current repair. Body shop operators are the best salesmen in the world: they sell all day every day, and they are excellent at it. Almost everybody shop guy is going to talk about doing a repair right. Not being wise here — it’s part of your job, but I’m just saying. Ever notice how every body shop guy thinks the other body shop’s work is terrible? Just like plumbers. The plumber in front of you is the best, and the previous guy is a moron because he didn’t do the job right which we now have to undo and then fix. Everyone is always the best. But actually, not really. There is an aristocracy in talent just like there are smarter kids in the class than others. In the real world, the consumer needs to be educated and hands-on if he is going to succeed in making the right choice to hire any tradesman. With all this being said, it sounds like your shop is one I would choose to utilize, and I truly am happy that you’ve taken the time to provide your insights here.
     
  10. PETER@TEAM AI

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    Hate to burst your bubble, you are wrong and not wise, we turn away more work than we accept. We do not solicit work and do not advertise except sponsoring on FChat and RROC Directory. And we never talked about our competitors. Your point of reference is limited to your experience and the people you talk to. Nothing wrong with that but you make global statements without all the data points.
     
  11. 348SStb

    348SStb F1 Rookie
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    Okay Peter, you’ve made this thread a back and forth; I’ve shown you respect and I believe you are misunderstanding everything I’ve written; we aren’t seeing eye to eye, and that’s it. You’re good at what you do, and I’m good at what I do, and that’s that.
     
  12. PETER@TEAM AI

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    Not sure if I mis-understood or not. I can only read the words. My point of the original response was to inform people there are many things to consider when selecting an insurance company. Nothing more. And some decisions the cost to use them is deferred not in the quoted premium, i.e. you pay to get the repair to preserves the value of your car. Happens all too often.

    I do not judge if our team is good at what we do or not, customers decide that. Your follow up statements were not factually correct so yes I will give an different perspective in a forum meant to educate and inform. You have an opinion and I respect that but , I have no idea what you do but I assume it is not body shop or an automotive service facility which is our business and the basis of what I am stating. This is not personal to me at all and has nothing to do with our business except my statements are based on a company and the interactions that happen in the business you asked about, Insurance and what are the options in SC. My point was there are many considerations.
     
  13. 348SStb

    348SStb F1 Rookie
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    Peter:

    You don’t know what business I’m in — but I’m in the business of fixing cars, and it’s not my main business either.

    I had no intention of sending my edited reply through, so please disregard it.

    You have derailed this thread and now nobody else is going to respond.

    Please stop now. If you want to post a video of yourself replying to me, please do so and provide a link. The back and forth is not educating anybody at this point.

    This thread is about names of insurance carriers and agents. Nothing more.
     

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