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Audi in F1?

Discussion in 'F1' started by NürScud, Oct 24, 2014.

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  1. 4rePhill

    4rePhill F1 Veteran

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    I seriously doubt it!
     
  2. Kiwi Nick

    Kiwi Nick Formula 3

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    Now that the FIA has played its hand regarding new entrants in the PU arena, why would any manufacturer get involved. Especially in 2016 with no chance to update the PU until 2017 and then only update very few components.

    VAG would be far better advised to wait for the next formula and try to do what it can to influence the rules beforehand.
     
  3. BartonWorkman

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    For Audi to run a TDI in F-1, the FIA would have to throw open their rules to alternate
    fuels in the same mode the ACO did in the early '00s.

    To be sure, allowing Audi to run their V6 turbo TDI in F-1 would prove to be such an
    advantage that all of the other teams would scream foul before ink was set to paper.

    It won't happen so it's hardly worth mentioning.

    BHW
     
  4. F2003-GA

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    VAG has already stated they are not going to consider F1 until Bernie is gone
     
  5. SWB

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    Its all too hedonistic; F1 can't make VAG come. Thats what happens when theres no Coventry Climax! :)
     
  6. PhilNotHill

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    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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  8. jgonzalesm6

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    Bump this thread.

    Audi to join in F1 in 3 to 4 years time???

    RedBull and Audi joining forces in the future??

    Watch this space.....more to come.
     
  9. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    In 2015 - https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/89171/audi-in-f1-the-latest-from-audi-and-red-bull

    It’s understood that Audi was close to entering F1 in 2013, and was the driving force behind the sport’s aborted plan to use four-cylinder turbocharged engines. At Audi’s urging, the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council proposed, in late in 2010, to turn F1 into a four-cylinder turbo formula. Audi backflipped on joining the sport, though, and the F1 Commission changed the engine formula to turbocharged V6. Insiders insist Audi and the Volkswagen Group have now been working on a 1.6-litre V6 turbo Formula One engine since early this year. While it will contain the engine and electric hybrid development in-house, Audi is said to prefer buying an existing Formula One operation, rather than building up an F1 operation from scratch. Either Red Bull Racing or its Italian-based development team, Toro Rosso, were understood to be the prime targets, citing Audi’s historic links to Austria and its close relationship with Red Bull boss, Dietrich Mateschitz. Red Bull has long been the major sponsor of Audi’s leading team in the DTM.
     
  10. william

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    A four-cylinder turbocharged engine would have been the best solution for a relatively small engine capacity (1600cc).
    It would have been more compact than a V6, with simpler induction and exhaust systems.
    Smaller, lighter, it would also have been easier to package and offer different solutions for its installation in the chassis.
    A missed opportunity ...
     
  11. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

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    Why not just let engine architecture decisions be made by the engine manufactures ??
    The rules specify the constraints (displacement, fuel, fuel flow rate) and let engine designers make the rest of the decisions.
     
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  12. william

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    I agree with that; it's better to give the engineers the choice.

    But since the FIA consulted the manufacturers whilst making the rules, I perfectly understand why the 4-cyl had some supporters among them.
     
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  13. Bas

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    https://www.crash.net/f1/news/170745/1/newey-audi-to-blame-for-fourcylinder-engine-chaos

    Adrian Newey disagrees with you.
     
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  14. william

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  15. Aaahhh yes.....the M12/13s.......
     
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  16. william

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    Who says turbos can't be noisy ?
     
  17. Mitch Alsup

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    They can be, but the noise is "not like" that of a NA engine. The turbine blades pretty muh chew up the sound and make it different. Not better just different.

    Now, when you try to extract every oz of energy from the exhaust, then the sound goes caput.
     
  18. Remy Zero

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    Nothings beats the V10. It was like the global identity of F1 from the 90s until 2005.
     
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  19. You like poh-tay-toes; I like poe-tah-toes......

    I say bring back a mix. 'Nothing wrong with some variety.....
     
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  20. Mitch Alsup

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    Sounds like a Harley Davidson disassembling itself on the way to the shop......
     
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  21. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    That's right, 15 years ago ...
     
  22. I'll concede that.....:oops:

    .....but was different sounding and sure as 'ell did go more like a Yamaha or a Kaw.....(asaki). ;)

    :)
     
  23. DeSoto

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    Just a few years later, Gordon Murray was fed up of the BMW 4 pot and had to "experiment with the installation" in an attempt to override its shortcomings.
     
  24. But the most important factor regarding your statement is that, back then, one could........... :cool:
     
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  25. vinuneuro

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    Can't see Audi joining F1. Merc and Renault both realized there's limited marketing value just being an engine supplier. As for tech, regardless of one's feelings towards them, it's pretty clear the world is going full EV very quickly. Hybrid engines as advanced as they are, will be obsolete before this tech can meaningfully transfer to production cars.
     

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