Artcurial Auction Le Mans Classic 2016

Marcel Massini · Jul 12, 2016

166&456 said: ↑

There are a few things wrong with this statement. Perhaps it holds for the Ferrari and Porsche markets at that event, as what I am reading in the auction result is a different taste away from sportscars...........
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Disagree. My comment is about the Ferrari market in general (after all this is fchat here) and it is not directly related to the Artcurial auction at Le Mans last weekend, but rather to all auctions in 2016 so far (where Ferraris were offered).

Marcel Massini

BIRA · Jul 12, 2016

Marcel Massini said: ↑

Disagree. My comment is about the Ferrari market in general (after all this is fchat here) and it is not directly related to the Artcurial auction at Le Mans last weekend, but rather to all auctions in 2016 so far (where Ferraris were offered).

Marcel Massini
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Looking at the numbers of modern Bentleys and Ferraris and even Lambo in the camping (&#55357;&#56883at Le Mans, there was plenty of money around. Of course no one that want a car need to rush, this is a buyers market today. Second , prices have to be in accordance with buyers estimate, and we will see if , like the Midy car, this one sells after negotiations . I believe so, this is a good car, and the owner has an interest ( so long he still owns it....working on tax treatment of capital gains seem to me more important than the real price he may reach...).
Finally , one specific thing at Le Mans, all the big money and egos ( as shown by number of crashes) are on the piste at the time of the auction, it is impossible to race and bid. Of course people can give bids to others, but this is part of fun lost.

Marcel Massini · Jul 12, 2016

BIRA said: ↑

..........this is a buyers market today. Second , prices have to be in accordance with buyers estimate............
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Absolutely agree.

Marcel Massini

Timmmmmmmmmmy · Jul 12, 2016

Marcel Massini said: ↑

Disagree. My comment is about the Ferrari market in general (after all this is fchat here) and it is not directly related to the Artcurial auction at Le Mans last weekend, but rather to all auctions in 2016 so far (where Ferraris were offered).

Marcel Massini
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I agree with Marcel. I would go further and say that this market is undergoing foundational changes. The Monterey/ Pebble Beach week is only 5 weeks away and will be fascinating with the key dynamic being moderate reserve(s).

wbaeumer · Jul 12, 2016

Marcel Massini said: ↑

Disagree. My comment is about the Ferrari market in general (after all this is fchat here) and it is not directly related to the Artcurial auction at Le Mans last weekend, but rather to all auctions in 2016 so far (where Ferraris were offered).

Marcel Massini
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Totally agree!

Too many auctions and all sell almost the same cars and most of this cars are in average condition (particuly cars from France, Belgium...).

Ciao!
Walter

merstheman · Jul 12, 2016

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Just this one:

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Oh god, that is horrible. I wish I hadn't seen that one...

GIOTTO · Jul 12, 2016

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Oh god, that is horrible. I wish I hadn't seen that one...
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That's one of the worst thing that I ever saw. Ridiculous. Poor guys.

furoni · Jul 12, 2016

At least it's a comp version!!

amenasce · Jul 12, 2016

The estimate for the Artcurial were really high. E800k-1.2m for an Aston v8 xpack???

Give me a break. They did really bad. It's as fun to watch cars not sell as it is to see them go up to crazy prices.

Ferrari 308 Vetro · Jul 12, 2016

And dont forget please, 20 % comission...

msn · Jul 12, 2016

Its interesting to see where people see the cost price, the currency that they originally purchased the car in or another barometer, it's very hard to determine, especially in the high value cars, 6 months ago GBP/ EURO was 142, today 117 a drop of nearly 20 %.
If on top of that people are saying cars have adjusted, lets say 20 % does that mean the cars priced in Euro's and USD need to be adjusted down 40 % or do the cars in the uk need to increase 20 %.. its not rocket science to understand why the auctions are not performing when one of the biggest collector markets the UK has seen 20 % reduction in its buying power through the depreciation of GBP.
I personally feel the same will happen at Pebble beach as a large part go the collector market will not be present and buying.
If GBP carriers on the path it seems to be going something will have to give.
Would really appreciate some feedback

Juan-Manuel Fantango · Jul 12, 2016

Couple of cool non Ferraris and not too costly.

Le Mans Classic 2016*by Artcurial Motorcars - Sale N° 2929 - Lot N° 211 | Artcurial

Le Mans Classic 2016*by Artcurial Motorcars - Sale N° 2929 - Lot N° 213 | Artcurial

Le Mans Classic 2016*by Artcurial Motorcars - Sale N° 2929 - Lot N° 192 | Artcurial

Le Mans Classic 2016*by Artcurial Motorcars - Sale N° 2929 - Lot N° 146 | Artcurial

Le Mans Classic 2016*by Artcurial Motorcars - Sale N° 2929 - Lot N° 145 | Artcurial

Le Mans Classic 2016*by Artcurial Motorcars - Sale N° 2929 - Lot N° 129 | Artcurial

Timmmmmmmmmmy · Jul 12, 2016

Full results dudes..... A bit of a blood bath.

1984 Autobianchi A112 Abarth Série 7 - No reserve
Estimation: 8,000 - 12,000
Sold for 5,960
1988 Porsche 928 S4 - No reserve
Estimation: 20,000 - 30,000
Sold for 36,952
1955 MG TF 1500 - No reserve
Estimation: 35,000 - 55,000
Sold for 47,680
1987 BMW M635 CSI - No reserve
Estimation: 35,000 - 45,000
Sold for 47,680
1997 Maserati Ghibli Cup -
Estimation: 35,000 - 45,000
Unsold
1984 Ferrari 308 GTS Quattrovalvole -
Estimation: 60,000 - 80,000
Sold for 67,944
1973 Porsche 911 2,4 L S -
Estimation: 100,000 - 140,000
Unsold
1991 Porsche 965 Turbo -
Estimation: 90,000 - 120,000
Unsold
1973 Porsche 911 Carrera 2,7 L RS Touring (M472) -
Estimation: 420,000 - 580,000
Sold for 476,800
1961 Porsche 356 B T5 1600 - No reserve
Estimation: 50,000 - 70,000
Sold for 58,408
1954 Triumph TR2 - No reserve
Estimation: 30,000 - 40,000
Sold for 25,032
1950 Allard K2 -
Estimation: 80,000 - 120,000
Sold for 89,400
1954 Chevrolet Corvette C1 "Blue Flame" -
Estimation: 80,000 - 120,000
Unsold
1966 Chevrolet Corvette préparée Grand Sport - No reserve
Estimation: 60,000 - 100,000
Sold for 92,976
1977 Ferrari 308 GTB Vetroresina -
Estimation: 155,000 - 195,000
Sold for 153,768
1996 Ferrari 512 M -
Estimation: 220,000 - 260,000
Unsold
1972 Dino 246 GT -
Estimation: 220,000 - 280,000
Unsold
1961 Ferrari 250 GT Berlinetta SWB -
Estimation: -
Unsold
1977 Volkswagen Coccinelle 1303 LS cabriolet - No reserve
Estimation: 15,000 - 20,000
Sold for 19,072
1959 Mercedes-Benz 220 S Cabriolet - No reserve
Estimation: 60,000 - 80,000
Sold for 101,320
1937 Citroën Traction 11 BL Cabriolet - No reserve
Estimation: 70,000 - 90,000
Sold for 113,240
1940 BMW 327 Cabriolet - No reserve
Estimation: 120,000 - 160,000
Sold for 184,760
1936 Riley Sprite Sports -
Estimation: 200,000 - 300,000
Unsold
1949 Delahaye 135 M cabriolet Guilloré -
Estimation: 100,000 - 200,000
Sold for 107,280
1937 Bugatti Type 57 Ventoux coach usine -
Estimation: 250,000 - 350,000
Sold for 524,480
1947 Delage 3L Biplace Compétition Usine -
Estimation: 1,200,000 - 1,400,000
Unsold
1957 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Ti Série 1 - No reserve
Estimation: 25,000 - 35,000
Sold for 26,224
1959 Alfa Romeo Giulietta spider Veloce -
Estimation: 50,000 - 60,000
Unsold
1964 Alfa Romeo Giulia 1600 SS -
Estimation: 100,000 - 150,000
Sold for 119,200
1988 MVS Venturi Cup 221 - No reserve
Estimation: 25,000 - 35,000
Sold for 30,992
1993 Lancia Delta Integrale Evo 2 - No reserve
Estimation: 40,000 - 60,000
Sold for 51,256
1984 Lancia Delta S4 prototype -
Estimation: 300,000 - 400,000
Unsold
1984 Lancia 037 Gr. B Usine Evolution 2 -
Estimation: 450,000 - 650,000
Unsold
1976 Ferrari 308 GT4 -
Estimation: 55,000 - 65,000
Unsold
1996 Ferrari 355 GTS -
Estimation: 55,000 - 75,000
Sold for 66,752
2003 Ferrari 575M Maranello -
Estimation: 175,000 - 225,000
Unsold
2001 Ferrari 360 Spider F1 -
Estimation: 125,000 - 150,000
Sold for 130,047
1979 Ferrari 308 GTS -
Estimation: 90,000 - 110,000
Unsold
1974 Fiat 500 découvrable "édition finale" - No reserve
Estimation: 15,000 - 20,000
Sold for 15,496
1963 Lancia Flaminia GT Touring 2,5 L 3C - No reserve
Estimation: 40,000 - 70,000
Sold for 38,144
1969 Ferrari 365 GT 2+2 -
Estimation: 240,000 - 280,000
Unsold
1973 De Tomaso Pantera GTS -
Estimation: 75,000 - 95,000
Sold for 88,208
1966 McLaren M1B -
Estimation: 200,000 - 260,000
Sold for 216,944
1971 Ferrari 365 GTC/4 -
Estimation: 425,000 - 475,000
Unsold
1970 Alpine A110 1600 S -
Estimation: 80,000 - 120,000
Sold for 95,360
1982 Renault 5 Turbo 1 -
Estimation: 90,000 - 110,000
Sold for 104,896
1963 Citroën 2 CV Sahara -
Estimation: 70,000 - 90,000
Sold for 79,864
1962 CD Panhard coach -
Estimation: 85,000 - 125,000
Unsold
1958 Talbot T14 LS Coupé -
Estimation: 200,000 - 250,000
Sold for 220,520
1949 Delahaye 148 L Berlinette par Antem -
Estimation: 200,000 - 280,000
Sold for 250,320
1972 BSH Guiry - No reserve
Estimation: 25,000 - 45,000
Sold for 38,144
1976 Peugeot 504 V6 Cabriolet - No reserve
Estimation: 30,000 - 40,000
Sold for 35,760
1978 Peugeot J7 Camping-Car par Holidaycar - No reserve
Estimation: 10,000 - 20,000
Sold for 21,456
1993 Bentley Continental R - No reserve
Estimation: 35,000 - 45,000
Sold for 42,912
1976 Rolls-Royce Camargue - No reserve
Estimation: 40,000 - 50,000
Sold for 45,892
1971 Jaguar Type C Replica par Heritage -
Estimation: 60,000 - 100,000
Sold for 59,600
1950 Jaguar XK120 roadster -
Estimation: 120,000 - 160,000
Sold for 121,584
1958 Jaguar XK 150 S 3.4L Roadster -
Estimation: 155,000 - 185,000
Unsold
1963 Bentley Continental S3 cabriolet -
Estimation: 150,000 - 200,000
Sold for 202,640
1980 Aston Martin V8 Volante -
Estimation: 95,000 - 125,000
Sold for 101,320
1977 Aston Martin AMV8 Série 3 Stage 1 -
Estimation: 60,000 - 80,000
Sold for 91,784
1958 Aston Martin DB 2/4 MKIII -
Estimation: 310,000 - 350,000
Unsold
1971 Mercedes-Benz 280 SE 3,5L Cabriolet -
Estimation: 150,000 - 230,000
Sold for 166,880
1961 Mercedes-Benz 300 SL Roadster avec Hard Top -
Estimation: 700,000 - 1,100,000
Sold for 953,600
1988 Aston Martin V8 Vantage Volante X-Pack -
Estimation: 800,000 - 1,200,000
Unsold
1967 Ferrari 330 GTS Spider Pininfarina -
Estimation: 1,700,000 - 1,900,000
Unsold
1962 Ford Thunderbird Coupé Hardtop - No reserve
Estimation: 15,000 - 20,000
Sold for 17,880
1968 Cadillac 472 Eldorado Fleetwood Coupe - No reserve
Estimation: 14,000 - 18,000
Sold for 19,140
1980 Arntz Shelby Cobra 427 Replica - No reserve
Estimation: 45,000 - 65,000
Sold for 53,640
1973 Rolls Royce Corniche cabriolet - No reserve
Estimation: 40,000 - 60,000
Sold for 42,912
1941 Buick Super Eight Convertible Type 151 C -
Estimation: 70,000 - 110,000
Unsold
1987 Porsche 911 3,2 L Jubilé -
Estimation: 65,000 - 95,000
Unsold
2004 Porsche 996 GT3 Phase 2 -
Estimation: 75,000 - 95,000
Unsold
1984 Porsche 930 Turbo 3.3 L -
Estimation: 85,000 - 125,000
Sold for 89,400
1977 Porsche 935 Compétition Client d'Usine -
Estimation: 1,100,000 - 1,500,000
Sold for 1,301,600
1993 Porsche 965 Turbo 3,6 L -
Estimation: 180,000 - 230,000
Unsold
1995 Porsche 964 RS N-GT coupé -
Estimation: 260,000 - 340,000
Unsold
1977 Porsche Carrera 3,0L préparée RSR -
Estimation: 90,000 - 110,000
Unsold
1976 Martini MK 19 - F2 - Ex Patrick Tambay -
Estimation: 60,000 - 80,000
Unsold
1994 Dodge Viper RT-10 - 24 Heures du Mans 1994 -
Estimation: 200,000 - 300,000
Sold for 214,560
1976 Fiat 131 Abarth Rally Gr.4 ex-Ciro Nappi -
Estimation: 180,000 - 220,000
Unsold
2000 Porsche 996 GT3 R -
Estimation: 90,000 - 120,000
Unsold
1977 Porsche 930 Turbo 3 L -
Estimation: 140,000 - 180,000
Sold for 127,600
1973 Martini MK11 Formule Renault No reserve
Estimation: -
Unsold
1981 Opel Ascona 2000 Gr. 2 coach (ex Destefanis) - No reserve
Estimation: 35,000 - 45,000
Sold for 29,800
1972 Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV -
Estimation: 42,000 - 48,000
Sold for 47,680
1992 Lancia Delta Evo 1 Martini 5 -
Estimation: 85,000 - 120,000
Unsold
1966 Lotus 47 GT Gr. 4 -
Estimation: 125,000 - 165,000
Unsold
1963 Porsche 356 B coupé modifié compétition -
Estimation: 65,000 - 95,000
Sold for 73,904
1956 Porsche 356 A Coupé -
Estimation: 75,000 - 115,000
Sold for 83,440
1969 Porsche 911 T -
Estimation: 90,000 - 120,000
Unsold
1965 Lancia Flaminia Touring GTL 2,8L 3C -
Estimation: 60,000 - 80,000
Sold for 89,400
1953 Bandini 750 Sport Bialbero -
Estimation: 375,000 - 425,000
Unsold
1959 Fiat Abarth 750 Allemano spider -
Estimation: 75,000 - 95,000
Unsold
1963 Alfa Romeo 2600 Spider Touring -
Estimation: 80,000 - 120,000
Sold for 126,352
1970 Maserati Mexico 4.2 L -
Estimation: 85,000 - 120,000
Unsold
1958 Fiat 600 Multipla 4/5 places - No reserve
Estimation: 14,000 - 20,000
Sold for 23,840
1975 Maserati Khamsin -
Estimation: 180,000 - 240,000
Unsold
1963 Maserati 3500 GT -
Estimation: 240,000 - 280,000
Sold for 268,200
1987 Ferrari Testarossa Spider conversion par Lorenz & Rankl -
Estimation: 170,000 - 230,000
Unsold
1974 Ferrari 365 GT4 / BB -
Estimation: 350,000 - 400,000
Unsold
1957 Mercedes-Benz 190 SL -
Estimation: 100,000 - 130,000
Sold for 101,320
1979 Mercedes-Benz 280 SL avec hard-top -
Estimation: 30,000 - 50,000
Sold for 42,912
1970 Mercedes-Benz 280 SL avec hard-top -
Estimation: 60,000 - 80,000
Sold for 65,560
1960 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spider Veloce -
Estimation: 80,000 - 120,000
Sold for 115,624
1986 Ferrari 412 -
Estimation: 65,000 - 85,000
Sold for 59,600
1987 Ferrari 328 GTB -
Estimation: 75,000 - 95,000
Sold for 89,400
1979 Ferrari 512 BB -
Estimation: 240,000 - 280,000
Unsold
1990 Ferrari F40 -
Estimation: 1,100,000 - 1,300,000
Unsold
2006 Ford GT Heritage -
Estimation: 400,000 - 450,000
Unsold
1976 Rolls-Royce Corniche Cabriolet Série 1 - No reserve
Estimation: 35,000 - 45,000
Sold for 53,640
1958 MGA roadster - No reserve
Estimation: 20,000 - 30,000
Sold for 38,144
1973 Lancia Fulvia HF Group 4 -
Estimation: 150,000 - 180,000
Unsold
1973 De Tomaso Pantera modifiée GT5S -
Estimation: 65,000 - 85,000
Sold for 66,752
1980 Talbot Sunbeam Lotus -
Estimation: 60,000 - 80,000
Unsold

Timmmmmmmmmmy · Jul 12, 2016

msn said: ↑

Its interesting to see where people see the cost price, the currency that they originally purchased the car in or another barometer, it's very hard to determine, especially in the high value cars, 6 months ago GBP/ EURO was 142, today 117 a drop of nearly 20 %.
If on top of that people are saying cars have adjusted, lets say 20 % does that mean the cars priced in Euro's and USD need to be adjusted down 40 % or do the cars in the uk need to increase 20 %.. its not rocket science to understand why the auctions are not performing when one of the biggest collector markets the UK has seen 20 % reduction in its buying power through the depreciation of GBP.
I personally feel the same will happen at Pebble beach as a large part go the collector market will not be present and buying.
If GBP carriers on the path it seems to be going something will have to give.
Would really appreciate some feedback
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The current market trends that are either a slow down or worse truly began in November last year with Keno New York & RM London and vendors are still hoping for pre-2015 prices. Yes there are some sectors that are still going gangbusters but many of the Ferrari's offered need to 20 - 30% or more off there 2014 prices. As a useful example the SWB offered by Artcurial should after 47 years of ownership have been debt free but plenty of big dollar Ferrari's have no doubt been purchased with part or full financing and require constant value increases to break even let alone make a profit. I believe in Walter's comments that there are too many auctions offering too many star lots and not nearly enough motivated vendors and the SWB seller clearly wasn't motivated enough to let it go at the high bid. Whatever affects the new post Brexit value of the sterling and dollar are secondary to this new market paradigm.

BIRA · Jul 12, 2016

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Absolutely agree.

Marcel Massini
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And even some of the cars that sold were not that good. I had not too much time as I was racing on 4 grids,,,but I looked at the Alfa Romeo giulietta Spyder veloce that sold for 115k euros,,I had one fully restored by QC few years ago after owning it for 30 years so I know pretty well those cars,,,gaps were uneven, with hood protruding, none of the instruments were redone and were fully de colored , so I am sure same shortcuts were applied to the rest..means this car will need another restoration,,but only concours car for those who have never been to a concours...this is sad because people who are burnt are lost forever for the collecting market.

wbaeumer · Jul 12, 2016

BIRA said: ↑

And even some of the cars that sold were not that good. I had not too much time as I was racing on 4 grids,,,but I looked at the Alfa Romeo giulietta Spyder veloce that sold for 115k euros,,I had one fully restored by QC few years ago after owning it for 30 years so I know pretty well those cars,,,gaps were uneven, with hood protruding, none of the instruments were redone and were fully de colored , so I am sure same shortcuts were applied to the rest..means this car will need another restoration,,but only concours car for those who have never been to a concours...this is sad because people who are burnt are lost forever for the collecting market.
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Pierre,

thats what I said: too bad or average quality is in the market this days.

Ciao!
Walter

wbaeumer · Jul 13, 2016

Timmmmmmmmmmy said: ↑

Full results dudes..... A bit of a blood bath.

1984 Autobianchi A112 Abarth Série 7 - No reserve
Estimation: 8,000 - 12,000
Sold for 5,960
1988 Porsche 928 S4 - No reserve
Estimation: 20,000 - 30,000
Sold for 36,952
1955 MG TF 1500 - No reserve
Estimation: 35,000 - 55,000
Sold for 47,680
1987 BMW M635 CSI - No reserve
Estimation: 35,000 - 45,000
Sold for 47,680
1997 Maserati Ghibli Cup -
Estimation: 35,000 - 45,000
Unsold
1984 Ferrari 308 GTS Quattrovalvole -
Estimation: 60,000 - 80,000
Sold for 67,944
1973 Porsche 911 2,4 L S -
Estimation: 100,000 - 140,000
Unsold
1991 Porsche 965 Turbo -
Estimation: 90,000 - 120,000
Unsold
1973 Porsche 911 Carrera 2,7 L RS Touring (M472) -
Estimation: 420,000 - 580,000
Sold for 476,800
1961 Porsche 356 B T5 1600 - No reserve
Estimation: 50,000 - 70,000
Sold for 58,408
1954 Triumph TR2 - No reserve
Estimation: 30,000 - 40,000
Sold for 25,032
1950 Allard K2 -
Estimation: 80,000 - 120,000
Sold for 89,400
1954 Chevrolet Corvette C1 "Blue Flame" -
Estimation: 80,000 - 120,000
Unsold
1966 Chevrolet Corvette préparée Grand Sport - No reserve
Estimation: 60,000 - 100,000
Sold for 92,976
1977 Ferrari 308 GTB Vetroresina -
Estimation: 155,000 - 195,000
Sold for 153,768
1996 Ferrari 512 M -
Estimation: 220,000 - 260,000
Unsold
1972 Dino 246 GT -
Estimation: 220,000 - 280,000
Unsold
1961 Ferrari 250 GT Berlinetta SWB -
Estimation: -
Unsold
1977 Volkswagen Coccinelle 1303 LS cabriolet - No reserve
Estimation: 15,000 - 20,000
Sold for 19,072
1959 Mercedes-Benz 220 S Cabriolet - No reserve
Estimation: 60,000 - 80,000
Sold for 101,320
1937 Citroën Traction 11 BL Cabriolet - No reserve
Estimation: 70,000 - 90,000
Sold for 113,240
1940 BMW 327 Cabriolet - No reserve
Estimation: 120,000 - 160,000
Sold for 184,760
1936 Riley Sprite Sports -
Estimation: 200,000 - 300,000
Unsold
1949 Delahaye 135 M cabriolet Guilloré -
Estimation: 100,000 - 200,000
Sold for 107,280
1937 Bugatti Type 57 Ventoux coach usine -
Estimation: 250,000 - 350,000
Sold for 524,480
1947 Delage 3L Biplace Compétition Usine -
Estimation: 1,200,000 - 1,400,000
Unsold
1957 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Ti Série 1 - No reserve
Estimation: 25,000 - 35,000
Sold for 26,224
1959 Alfa Romeo Giulietta spider Veloce -
Estimation: 50,000 - 60,000
Unsold
1964 Alfa Romeo Giulia 1600 SS -
Estimation: 100,000 - 150,000
Sold for 119,200
1988 MVS Venturi Cup 221 - No reserve
Estimation: 25,000 - 35,000
Sold for 30,992
1993 Lancia Delta Integrale Evo 2 - No reserve
Estimation: 40,000 - 60,000
Sold for 51,256
1984 Lancia Delta S4 prototype -
Estimation: 300,000 - 400,000
Unsold
1984 Lancia 037 Gr. B Usine Evolution 2 -
Estimation: 450,000 - 650,000
Unsold
1976 Ferrari 308 GT4 -
Estimation: 55,000 - 65,000
Unsold
1996 Ferrari 355 GTS -
Estimation: 55,000 - 75,000
Sold for 66,752
2003 Ferrari 575M Maranello -
Estimation: 175,000 - 225,000
Unsold
2001 Ferrari 360 Spider F1 -
Estimation: 125,000 - 150,000
Sold for 130,047
1979 Ferrari 308 GTS -
Estimation: 90,000 - 110,000
Unsold
1974 Fiat 500 découvrable "édition finale" - No reserve
Estimation: 15,000 - 20,000
Sold for 15,496
1963 Lancia Flaminia GT Touring 2,5 L 3C - No reserve
Estimation: 40,000 - 70,000
Sold for 38,144
1969 Ferrari 365 GT 2+2 -
Estimation: 240,000 - 280,000
Unsold
1973 De Tomaso Pantera GTS -
Estimation: 75,000 - 95,000
Sold for 88,208
1966 McLaren M1B -
Estimation: 200,000 - 260,000
Sold for 216,944
1971 Ferrari 365 GTC/4 -
Estimation: 425,000 - 475,000
Unsold
1970 Alpine A110 1600 S -
Estimation: 80,000 - 120,000
Sold for 95,360
1982 Renault 5 Turbo 1 -
Estimation: 90,000 - 110,000
Sold for 104,896
1963 Citroën 2 CV Sahara -
Estimation: 70,000 - 90,000
Sold for 79,864
1962 CD Panhard coach -
Estimation: 85,000 - 125,000
Unsold
1958 Talbot T14 LS Coupé -
Estimation: 200,000 - 250,000
Sold for 220,520
1949 Delahaye 148 L Berlinette par Antem -
Estimation: 200,000 - 280,000
Sold for 250,320
1972 BSH Guiry - No reserve
Estimation: 25,000 - 45,000
Sold for 38,144
1976 Peugeot 504 V6 Cabriolet - No reserve
Estimation: 30,000 - 40,000
Sold for 35,760
1978 Peugeot J7 Camping-Car par Holidaycar - No reserve
Estimation: 10,000 - 20,000
Sold for 21,456
1993 Bentley Continental R - No reserve
Estimation: 35,000 - 45,000
Sold for 42,912
1976 Rolls-Royce Camargue - No reserve
Estimation: 40,000 - 50,000
Sold for 45,892
1971 Jaguar Type C Replica par Heritage -
Estimation: 60,000 - 100,000
Sold for 59,600
1950 Jaguar XK120 roadster -
Estimation: 120,000 - 160,000
Sold for 121,584
1958 Jaguar XK 150 S 3.4L Roadster -
Estimation: 155,000 - 185,000
Unsold
1963 Bentley Continental S3 cabriolet -
Estimation: 150,000 - 200,000
Sold for 202,640
1980 Aston Martin V8 Volante -
Estimation: 95,000 - 125,000
Sold for 101,320
1977 Aston Martin AMV8 Série 3 Stage 1 -
Estimation: 60,000 - 80,000
Sold for 91,784
1958 Aston Martin DB 2/4 MKIII -
Estimation: 310,000 - 350,000
Unsold
1971 Mercedes-Benz 280 SE 3,5L Cabriolet -
Estimation: 150,000 - 230,000
Sold for 166,880
1961 Mercedes-Benz 300 SL Roadster avec Hard Top -
Estimation: 700,000 - 1,100,000
Sold for 953,600
1988 Aston Martin V8 Vantage Volante X-Pack -
Estimation: 800,000 - 1,200,000
Unsold
1967 Ferrari 330 GTS Spider Pininfarina -
Estimation: 1,700,000 - 1,900,000
Unsold
1962 Ford Thunderbird Coupé Hardtop - No reserve
Estimation: 15,000 - 20,000
Sold for 17,880
1968 Cadillac 472 Eldorado Fleetwood Coupe - No reserve
Estimation: 14,000 - 18,000
Sold for 19,140
1980 Arntz Shelby Cobra 427 Replica - No reserve
Estimation: 45,000 - 65,000
Sold for 53,640
1973 Rolls Royce Corniche cabriolet - No reserve
Estimation: 40,000 - 60,000
Sold for 42,912
1941 Buick Super Eight Convertible Type 151 C -
Estimation: 70,000 - 110,000
Unsold
1987 Porsche 911 3,2 L Jubilé -
Estimation: 65,000 - 95,000
Unsold
2004 Porsche 996 GT3 Phase 2 -
Estimation: 75,000 - 95,000
Unsold
1984 Porsche 930 Turbo 3.3 L -
Estimation: 85,000 - 125,000
Sold for 89,400
1977 Porsche 935 Compétition Client d'Usine -
Estimation: 1,100,000 - 1,500,000
Sold for 1,301,600
1993 Porsche 965 Turbo 3,6 L -
Estimation: 180,000 - 230,000
Unsold
1995 Porsche 964 RS N-GT coupé -
Estimation: 260,000 - 340,000
Unsold
1977 Porsche Carrera 3,0L préparée RSR -
Estimation: 90,000 - 110,000
Unsold
1976 Martini MK 19 - F2 - Ex Patrick Tambay -
Estimation: 60,000 - 80,000
Unsold
1994 Dodge Viper RT-10 - 24 Heures du Mans 1994 -
Estimation: 200,000 - 300,000
Sold for 214,560
1976 Fiat 131 Abarth Rally Gr.4 ex-Ciro Nappi -
Estimation: 180,000 - 220,000
Unsold
2000 Porsche 996 GT3 R -
Estimation: 90,000 - 120,000
Unsold
1977 Porsche 930 Turbo 3 L -
Estimation: 140,000 - 180,000
Sold for 127,600
1973 Martini MK11 Formule Renault No reserve
Estimation: -
Unsold
1981 Opel Ascona 2000 Gr. 2 coach (ex Destefanis) - No reserve
Estimation: 35,000 - 45,000
Sold for 29,800
1972 Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV -
Estimation: 42,000 - 48,000
Sold for 47,680
1992 Lancia Delta Evo 1 Martini 5 -
Estimation: 85,000 - 120,000
Unsold
1966 Lotus 47 GT Gr. 4 -
Estimation: 125,000 - 165,000
Unsold
1963 Porsche 356 B coupé modifié compétition -
Estimation: 65,000 - 95,000
Sold for 73,904
1956 Porsche 356 A Coupé -
Estimation: 75,000 - 115,000
Sold for 83,440
1969 Porsche 911 T -
Estimation: 90,000 - 120,000
Unsold
1965 Lancia Flaminia Touring GTL 2,8L 3C -
Estimation: 60,000 - 80,000
Sold for 89,400
1953 Bandini 750 Sport Bialbero -
Estimation: 375,000 - 425,000
Unsold
1959 Fiat Abarth 750 Allemano spider -
Estimation: 75,000 - 95,000
Unsold
1963 Alfa Romeo 2600 Spider Touring -
Estimation: 80,000 - 120,000
Sold for 126,352
1970 Maserati Mexico 4.2 L -
Estimation: 85,000 - 120,000
Unsold
1958 Fiat 600 Multipla 4/5 places - No reserve
Estimation: 14,000 - 20,000
Sold for 23,840
1975 Maserati Khamsin -
Estimation: 180,000 - 240,000
Unsold
1963 Maserati 3500 GT -
Estimation: 240,000 - 280,000
Sold for 268,200
1987 Ferrari Testarossa Spider conversion par Lorenz & Rankl -
Estimation: 170,000 - 230,000
Unsold
1974 Ferrari 365 GT4 / BB -
Estimation: 350,000 - 400,000
Unsold
1957 Mercedes-Benz 190 SL -
Estimation: 100,000 - 130,000
Sold for 101,320
1979 Mercedes-Benz 280 SL avec hard-top -
Estimation: 30,000 - 50,000
Sold for 42,912
1970 Mercedes-Benz 280 SL avec hard-top -
Estimation: 60,000 - 80,000
Sold for 65,560
1960 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spider Veloce -
Estimation: 80,000 - 120,000
Sold for 115,624
1986 Ferrari 412 -
Estimation: 65,000 - 85,000
Sold for 59,600
1987 Ferrari 328 GTB -
Estimation: 75,000 - 95,000
Sold for 89,400
1979 Ferrari 512 BB -
Estimation: 240,000 - 280,000
Unsold
1990 Ferrari F40 -
Estimation: 1,100,000 - 1,300,000
Unsold
2006 Ford GT Heritage -
Estimation: 400,000 - 450,000
Unsold
1976 Rolls-Royce Corniche Cabriolet Série 1 - No reserve
Estimation: 35,000 - 45,000
Sold for 53,640
1958 MGA roadster - No reserve
Estimation: 20,000 - 30,000
Sold for 38,144
1973 Lancia Fulvia HF Group 4 -
Estimation: 150,000 - 180,000
Unsold
1973 De Tomaso Pantera modifiée GT5S -
Estimation: 65,000 - 85,000
Sold for 66,752
1980 Talbot Sunbeam Lotus -
Estimation: 60,000 - 80,000
Unsold
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166&456 · Jul 16, 2016

I believe there is too much negativity here. When I look at the LM auction results, the only diminished interest I see is in sports cars and perhaps rallye versions. I think that could be due to the kind of venue, but ok the bears amongst us can have that. The other categories are doing well to very well so it seems.
Fortunately a bull market actually needs bearish analysis to continue to be bullish.

energy88 · Jul 16, 2016

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Fortunately a bull market actually needs bearish analysis to continue to be bullish.
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Agree. There is an old Wall Street saying that "a bull market climbs a wall of worry."

Candide · Apr 11, 2017

To go back to the suject of this topic, this particular chassis that I know very well, sold for a very high price.

So, when I read people saying the market is lowering...

The market is only adjusting cause there are too many average cars for sale at the price of Concours cond. cars.

In Europe, we are in need of Concours cond. cars.

And there are 2 main markets ! Concours cond. cars w/ quite no price, and up to restore cars.

between ?

Quite nothing that sells, the desert.

Cause sometimes, it costs the same to restore completely a car than to make Concours a very good one.

As regards this particular chassis, at that price, the seller lost money.

He came from a very "sane " car...

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