Are non-english language threads or sub forums a good idea for the european section?

be careful what I say or what?? Gonna destroy me?? ... Gonna throw me of the Fchat?? ...
Am I accusing you? All I said is that somebody (not from this forum, but from a related forum) said that I was 'instructed' to make this poll. And that that accusation was made by a mod from this forum.

You say it wasn't you; well...perfect. Then that's settled. As I also wrote in the Dutch thread; I don't know what your problem is with me. I'm into the F. business since 1985. I have hundreds of books, models and magazines. Drove in several Ferraris, as shutgun and by myself. I've been with the F-chatters to several meetings, and had great laughs with owners and non-owners.

I've been away from this forum for about one year (less, but I just didn't post), and now you hate me? ... You don't even know me, dude! And for now; I don't think we gonna know each other eighter, cause I don't want to know people who get so excited about a discusion.

I don't care anymore what you do or any other mod to this thread. Close it, keep it open, whatever.

@Wolfgang
dear friend,
I don't know; the feeling of this site has completly changed. Bonkering is almost dead and the other threads are only in native languages. I hope it's going to change and get back to the great community it once was.

@Carsten
tnx

 

Then sadly it's "people's" own loss....Why go to another country if you don't care or if it does not interest you at all!!! Why go to an international forum if all you care for are the locals arround you in your own country???
You would probably find more national forum users arround you in a national forum!
Sadly, I truly understand why Wolfgang gives up on you!!!!
It really seems that you WILL not understand our point with all this!!!

 

Maybe you know something that I and others missed out on, now, where did I force my moral standards upon anyone????

EDIT: Hopefully, I am not the only one who has at least some sort of moral standards!!! Nobody at all suggested that someone was lesser human beings for whatever need they may or may not have, or did I miss something here too???

 

i dont speak englische verry welle.
i think your storie is oke.

leven en laten leven

 

Your English writing seems great to me!!!

 

In the exact post I quoted you on. Really, it is hard to miss, since you obviously didn't take any consideration in hiding your view that having conversation in a native tongue, not being English, is disrespectful on a international site. Then you went on talking about your own moral standards, which apparently include talking in English only on a international site, thereby implying that people who limit themselves to their native tongue, not feeling the need to extend their contacts to an international level, do not fullfil these moral standards of yours and therefor are morally inferior to you.

Honestly, if that isn't the message you want to get across, you really should think about reformulating the quoted post.

Not that I care or anything. I even find it somewhat enlighting to find out who some people really think about their fellow-fchatters who do not seem to meet some vague moral standards.

Oh, and another thing, perhaps I can call myself somewhat of an oldie too, but untill this day I fail to see what added value the Bonkers-thread brings to Fchat.

 

I do understand, I just strongly disagree.

People should determine for themselves with whom on Fchat they wish to interact and how they want to interact, since Fchat itself is providing the facility to interact in a native tongue.

It isyour goal in entering Fchat to make contacts all over the world (and lets not forget you have a commercial interest in this selling your drawings, which most of us don't), but what gives you the right to complain about those who have a more limited goal in taking part on Fchat and measuring their moral standards against your own? Really, I am very curious to the answer.

 

easy on the insults there. And I don't really care for the 'de-activating' smiley either.

 

is he refering to you then? Seems like you think so? ...

I can understand your point of view. But don't you think it now goes to the other side? There are almost no posts in the European section, apart from those in the native language threads. And then I'm not speaking of the Dutch only.
And in a lot of those threads are interesting posts, by people who write/read English very well... with nice pictures wich could be fun for us all to see. Don't you think is a pity when you don't see those?

B.t.w. you refered to the bonkers thread and that you didn't understand the meaning of it... well it's simple. We are not only Ferrari-lovers, we are also people. Who want to chat sometimes and have fun... when we do that in all kind of different threads, it's going to be a mess, so the BONKERS thread was started... I believe that was even in the old FerrariChat, long before this one, but Wolfgang can explane that better then I do... ... The Bonkers thread was/is also the thread where the real friendships started! ...

 

How about this.

First let me say as a USA guy, I'm constantly impressed with the quality of the English spoken by your Europeans (except maybe the Brits ) Often I find your English is better than mine, at least for composition.

That being said, how about you make your posts in your native tongue, and English?

Pain in the ass? Only if you don't want any outside opinions, or information. IF it's that important to have a conversation in your native tongue, then at least be so kind as to not put any good stuff in the threads. Just keep it to local gossip, when the next drive will be happening, or when you intend to invade the United States.

We pushy Yanks will appreciate it.

Dave M.

 

hear hear!

 

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I am glad I don't participate in this thread...

FerrariChat is a wonderful way of meeting people with corresponding interests and I like to keep it that way (and I am not a massive contributor postwise). In dutch/english or whatever language... and it's funny that the language subject comes up every now and then and that the reactions and feelings never change in time. It makes me smile and aware of the relativeness of it.

I know some of you don't agree and some of you do

Guys (and girls): keep up the good spirit! I love you all! And I am glad to be part of this community!

Bob

 

doesn't matter to whom he is referring. There is really no need to assume any fellow Fchatter has no brains.

Let's assume -just for the sake of argument- that this is true, what does it tell us? It tells us that people prefer to speak in their native tongue once given the opportunity to do so. It is a simple mechanism. You can find that unfortunate and not in your own personal interest, but it is a fact of human nature.

Many guys that post frequently in the Dutch threads don't post in other threads like vintage or what not. That's their choice. Certainly not my choice, but that isn't really relevant in here.

It is not up to me, nor up to Wolfgang, Carsten or anybody, to have any judgement on how others make use of Ferrarichat. Much of the participants that limit themselves to the Dutch section, are subscribed by the way, so in that respect they have made their contribution to the community in a more than sufficient manner.

specific picture threads are commonly started in the general fora as well, or a link to the picture thread is posted in a general fora. Besides, everyone, no matter what nationality, has free access to the subforum. All threads marked with a paperclip contain pictures. If people want to see pictures, they only have to go through a minimum of trouble to do so.

The critizism directed at the Dutch/Belgian subforum could also be directed at the Bonkers-thread. The Bonkers-thread appealed to only a small group on Fchat, and yes it was in English, but no it didn't have anything to do with Ferrari.

I see the critizism that people who want to speak in their native tongue only, could make use of national fora. Well, people who want to speak about other stuff then Ferrari, could also make use of some other forum. I don't really see the difference.

Ferrarichat is a very big place and the fact that there is now a tiny subforum ended, doesn't really change the overall picture.

 

good point!

 

Just curious: suppose you and your buddies go on holiday in Mexico. What language do you talk among each other? Spanish?? Or do you stick to English after all?

I fail to see the fuss, really? The local fora are just that: a bunch of buddies talking nonesense among each other. I saw a 360 there and there yesterday, was that you? I'm thinking of buying this 355, isn't that the car that was owned by so and so a few years back? Hey, I've taken some great pics of your car at that show last weekend. Etc etc. For the technical issues, we go to the model specific fora, in English. The local ones are socializing with friends. So what's the deal???

Just my 2 cents...

Hans

 

@Marnix,

Maan you are a clever guy, now aren't you??? I go here to talk to fellow Fchatters and to share my passion for cars in general, and since there are a lot of nice guys in here except for you, I have got quite a number of very close personal friends who knows me very well in person, very much unlike you!
Will you please tell me and everyone else what kind of comercial interest I have in Fchat???? I'm also quite curious to hear if you are making money on your friends???
Excactly how many Fchatters have payed me to do a drawing for them????
Please let me know when you find out???
As far as I know I have only asked to be payed for one of the drawings I have made for an fchatter, and besides that, also I have asked to be payed for the prints that have cost me money to have produced.......and no, I have not made a single dollar or Euro from that!!!!
Not long time ago I was asked by someone from this site if they could start to sell my drawings from an online shop, since Rob Lay would like to add stuff like that on Fchatstuff.com.........it was not my idea, and again, as far as I know noone have made a dime on that either, so once again please tell me what kind of comercial interest I or others have have in Fchat, that have to do with my drawings.......I really would like to know, and you seem to be the only guy clever enough to know!!!

Now, just like you Marnix, I have only posted my own personal oppinion in this thread, and I have never forced anyone to do anything at all, not here nor anywhere else, so please stop making a fool of yourself with all the stupid stuff that you seem to just freely make up from what you think people think or mean!!!
How come that you can you tell me for what reasons I am here or not, or what I can and cannot write here???........I thought that I was entitled to have and to share my oppinion, just the same way as you do share your somewhat different oppinions here in this thread!!??

I think perhaps you would be better of with sticking to the Dutch speaking threads, as you seem to have problems in understanding at least my English writting!

EDIT: If you have a problem with my "comercial" signature, then please be noted, that it is actually meant as a friendly help for some great friends of mine!
Perhaps I really should start to make money on my friends.......hmmmmmm.......now, if only that could make me as wise and clever as you seemingly wish to be!!!

 

Thanks buddy,

I know the three categories from earlier discussions, and I have sadly met with all three of the above categories in this discussion as well!!

Best

Carsten

 

Just thought I'd jump in and say a word or two.

Rob and I work together to try and bring products here that we think you guys will enjoy.

Yes, we make some money at it. NO, I'm not quitting my day job anytime soon.

I saw Carsten's prints as an opportunity to bring some interesting new items onto my website, where I sell Fchatters "stuff". We just got them into stock, we've sold 5 or 6 prints so far. I happen to love what Carsten does. I think he's a highly talented artist, who also happens to draw objects that are interesting to the guys (and gals) here.

I asked Carsten if I could sell reproductions of his art. HE NEVER contacted me. I bugged him for six months about it. Yes, he'll stand to make a little money, but again, he'd better hang on to that day job.

And on a personal note. I love this place. I think Rob's a hard working guy who wants to make this the best site for Ferrari entusiasts in the world. I think he's done JUST that. I'm trying to help him make a little more money at it so it can stay the best place for us to hang out.

I have no objection to threads in something other than English. I just hope I'm not missing any good stuff in them. THAT'S ALL. I spend a fair amount of time here. Read lots of threads, and learn about cars and cultures. I can't learn 10 languages, I'm just not that good at it. Right now I'm working on Italian. I speak a little French. I understand each country has pride in its culture and language. I'd never want to diminish that.

Peace to all my European Ferrari brothers,

Dave

 

Yes I know, but sadly again none of those guys from the three categories are on my buddy list!!!
I also find it much more fun without using the "Ignore" button!!
Discussing with arseclowns can be great fun too actually!!!

 

Thanks Dave, and peace to you too my friend!!

Best

Carsten