Anyone with or plan on having all season tires on their FF/GTC4?

only true all season tire in existence are the nokian wrgs. They don't make Ferrari sizes so there is no solution. I wld just use the snow tires for the entire trip

 

Agreed, snows for the entire trip is the way to go.

 

Best all season tire I've ever owned

 

If you're going somewhere where there's a chance of a blizzard, you really don't want side all season rubber on your FF. If those are your conditions, chances are that it's cold most of the time. In that case, just run the Michelin PA4.

All season tyres are a compromise, and most are pretty horrible. Run your summer tyres during the summer and your winter tyres during the winter. If chances are snow, choose the winter tyres.

In the summer, all season tyres will ruin the experience of the FF. All season tyres are for taxi cabs. It will degrade the performance of the FF so much, you might want to consider a car with overall practicality rather than performance. All season tyres make me think "Mondeo diesel".

 

nokian wr3 are as good as a dedicated snow. you are correct about all other all season tires.

 

Never use different brands on front vs rear tires. Never even use different tires of the same brand. Will most likely result in horrible behaviour of the car that also changes with tire temps and tire lifecycle.

 

I have two sets of rims, with summer and winter tires! Honestly below 50' the summer tires are actually scary.

 

have driven plenty of miles on the michs summer ties from 0 to 30 degrees with absolutely no issue with a garaged car.

 

Yikes. Much lower than any other temp I've read about on summers. I assume you confine yourself to cold and dry, no snow or other precip.

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No precip. This whole idea that summer tires are deadly in the winter is ridiculous. If you at all drive with any degree of respect for the roads you will have zero problems. Once the snow falls you are finished. Unless your car sits outside for a few days straight in sub zero temps you will be fine. My tires stay above 50 degrees from the garage and by the time you have done 10 or 15 minutes they have no problem staying well above 40 degrees.

 

Another alternative - if I lived in a much colder place year round I wld just run the snows all year. I bet they wld do just fine for the one or two warm summer months.

 

I don't agree with that at all. Tires are made to work at specific temperatures. You CAN drive on summer tires in the winter on dry roads, but your grip level is greatly reduced. You might not notice it at first, but in a panic stop, or if you wanted to enjoy the sporty nature of the car, you will notice it. The problem becomes the progressively of the breakaway characteristics of the tires grip. In summer temps these tires break away gently- thus giving most drives the opportunity to correct for ever lessening grip (usually due to speed). With summer tires operating on very cold roads below their recommended temps you will find this breakaway will typically be less progressive- one minute you have some grip and then- its not there. Not something I would recommend. No matter how careful you are, you cannot control others, and when you have an emergency situation you will want the maximum grip.

Winter tires are not just about the tread but also the compounds. They are designed to heat up quickly in low temps. Thats why driving on them in warmer temps is so bad for them- the wear factor is greatly increased.

On the original question I agree with the other poster about never mixing tires. Driving is about maintaining balance through 4 contact patches with the road. If they are different, you are making it easier to lose control.

My advice, have a two sets of OEM wheels (I like the forged ones because they are stronger and lighter, and I also think look great!) with winter performance tires on them, like Pilot Alpin, SottoZero or maybe of Nokian makes something. Your driving around at 60F temps means you will wear them out faster than normal so the second set is there in your garage ready to go as soon as you notice the tires look about 50% worn. It will also be easier to compare how much wear vs the new tires. Then you switch your wheels and bring the set with the worn tires to the shop for new tires. And be vigilant about inspecting your tires. You might also notice the rears are wearing faster... (I wonder how that happens! )

 

Most suvs come with summer tires and do fine in the cold dry winters. Unless you being aggressive it's easy to manage. Have done so for 20 plus years so many kinds of cars and hp ratings.

 

Thats just not true. Most SUVs come with all season tires. Even the ones with "high performance tires" are M+S (Mud and Snow) rated and more akin to all season tires, not true summer tires like MPSS or PZero.

Here are the ones for Range Rover supercharged (CROSSCONTACT LX SPORT
Crossover/SUV Touring All-Season)

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Continental&tireModel=CrossContact+LX+Sport&partnum=745WR1CCLXSXLV2&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Land%20Rover&autoYear=2016&autoModel=Range%20Rover&autoModClar=Supercharged


Porsche Cayenne Turbo (several choices, all all season)

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?tireIndex=1&autoMake=Porsche&autoYear=2016&autoModel=Cayenne&autoModClar=Turbo&width=275%2F&ratio=45&diameter=20&sortCode=60060&skipOver=true&minSpeedRating=V&minLoadRating=XL

I could keep going.

I have driven on winter and summer tires for nearly 30 years and can feel the difference- often easily.

I know you know this, but for anyone else you can learn more:

http://www.tirerack.com/content/tirerack/desktop/en/winter_snow/tires.html

Heres one about how each kind does, but they don't address the summer tires on cold winter roads.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/tire-test-all-season-vs-snow-vs-summer.html

However, heres an alarming one about the cold temps causing cracks?! In summer tires.. I actually didn't know this! But for reasons mentioned before I wouldn't drive my high power sports car with summer tires on roads that are really that cold. I might take the car for a light maintenance drive if the roads are clear and ambient temps are in the mid 30s+...

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/03/performance-tires-crack-winter-cracking/index.htm

 

Those all seasons are a gimmick - hence why they're so bad with any precipitation. It's 90 percent marketing. Outside of the nokians it's all false advertising.

 

Btw I never said there's no difference between summer and winter. I just said if u drive on summers in the winter you can easily manage get through a dry winter. There is certianly a difference between the 2 both in 100 and 20 degree weather.

 

OK. I guess we just have different opinions on what managing means. For me, its asking for trouble and I would not recommend it for something you are driving frequently. On the other hand, a little maintenance driving, when you are knowingly driving the car extra carefully, then sure it can work.

 

Yes that's what I mean by managing. If the goal is to daily drive a car and drive it with spirit then yes Def get winter tires. If the goal is to drive the car a few times when the salt is gone and stars line up then just be responsible. It's a shame nokian doesn't make tires for us.

 

I know, that would be awesome!

Back to the OP- I still think your best bet is to get those winter performance tires. And just remember they are winter performance and not deep snow tires.- of course the relatively low nature of the FF means you wound't want to be in deep snow anyway!