Anyone use Ceramic Pro 9H?

My detail guy has been doing a lot of these applications. Seems like a cool product and I'm pretty sure it'll save you from having to wax because wax won't adhere to it. I think it'll also allow you to send it through a car-wash without worrying about scratches. Where are you located? Best to find a good, honest detailer and talk to them about it.

 

I used Gtechniq Crystal Serum on my DBS but it was only applied to the areas not covered in paint protection film. Its a similar product with a 9H top and 7H base layer. It gave a great finish. I'm not sure if either product can, needs to or should be applied to the PPF covered areas. You need to check with a reputable detailer.

 

Get a full paint correction first at a good detailer and then have a coating applied, like OptiCoat. Should last at least 2 years.

Not familiar with Ceramic Pro 9H but I suspect it is similar. The price is a bit steep though. Should be closer to $1500 for paint correction and coating.

 

go see Jean Claude with Atlanta Auto Detailing, Paint Restoration - Detailed Designs Auto Spa

I highly recommend something else besides Ceramic pro. I have used it and tested it, there are better options...Cquartz finest, Modesta are two, and JC offers both. You will get better gloss, depth, looks, wetness attributes from these two as well. Ceramic pro doesn't look as good as Cquartz Finest, and at the end of the day, you will have better protection and better looks at the same time! I did a side by side with 3 coatings and let my clients tell me what they thought looked the best...Cquartz was always chosen as looking the best, then 22ple, then ceramic pro. (didn't test out Modesta)

There is no such thing as 9H on the mohs scale like some of these companies are claiming. If that was the case, nothing but a diamond would be able to scratch it, and that is simply not the case. These coatings are based on the pencil scale. I was told when I initially had to buy a sample kit at retail value that it was a 9H on the MOHS scale...after doing my research, I stopped using completely. I have a full bottle of 4 of their products sitting on my desk going unused...

 

Eric, what's your opinion (if you have one) on Opti Coat vs. CQuartz?

 

Ive never liked opticoat sine the first 10 cars I applied it on. It lacks looks on any color, it doesn't repel water spotting as well, and it doesn't have anti-scratching effect on the same level. Some people like it, some don't...I am one that doesn't

Modesta is supposed to be the real deal, and offer great looks and more scratch resistance. I have yet to use it, but I am going to get my hands on some hopefully in the next couple of weeks to test it out for myself!

To me, after all the correction work I do on cars, I want the best looking coating I can use, Cquartz Finest works perfectly for just that. Coupled with easy cleaning, more scratch resistance, better water spotting defense (easy to clean)

 

I heard a person not in the trade cant buy Cquartz finest... is this true? I would like to buy it and use it on my car..

 

in order to be able to buy and use Finest, you have to have a Detailing/Paint correction business and be a fixed location. Its the pro version of the line. You can get Cquartz UK and use that as a non-pro. It will provide great durability and similar features. Finest is a little stronger and more durable while being glossier.

 

Thanks for the kind words Eric!

Keith's California T was treated with Modesta early in the year and is visiting us next week for the first time in a long time. Can't wait to see it again!

 

The 9H is a product I would avoid. I have no first hand experience but I spend too much time on detailing boards and from what I hear it is an OK product but the marketing is very over hyped. A guy beating it with a lighter. Sorry I don't buy that kind of marketing because I don't believe it. If the product was that good, I would have heard more about it.

 

I have seen the Ceramic Pro applied and it looks good but it does leave a texture to the paint which hampers the reflective quality of the original finish even after a full paint correction. I think it could be because it is sprayed on and doesn't lay down completely flat. I would try another product.

 

I had ceramic pro installed on 4 of my cars. I am thrilled with it. The key is prep work and paint correction before application. On one of the cars a poor prep was done and it shows through the finish. My black 575 looks fantastic as does my white cayenne and silver 911. I recomend it highly but as with most products, it is the skill and care of the application that makes all the difference

 

I just had ceramic pro installed on my black s63 AMG Coupe and the results are great.
Haven't had it long enough to test longevity, but i'm not too picky.

 

I don't detail for a living but I have been happy with opticoat non pro and the pro version is suppose to be better. Very happy with Gtechnig exo, 22ple and Gyeon can coat (least durable).

I would avoid the 9h. It seems to be a scam product. Only experience I had was I spoke to someone claiming to be the usa rep amd I was asking about the video I saw with a lighter pounding paint. I did not get a good vibe from this guy hat the product is legit. I am active on a lot of detailing sites and this one has zero traction among pros.

Phil a detailers domain is a Modesto installer and I have seem some work that looks great.

Stick to a major brand. 9h isn't one of those imho. Plus the 2k is high price. Full correction and coating can run 1k-1500.

 

modesta is a great coating, in the line, they have options....BC05, BC04, wheel coating, etc.

From any pro, correction and any coating will run 800 to 3000 depending on the complexity, damage, expected end result, coating used, etc.

There are pro grade coatings, there are DIY grade coatings...Most high end detailers use Pro versions rather than the general pop coatings.

Kind of like Cquartz finest vs Cquartz UK or the basic Cquartz...FInest is harder, glossier, more durable, and longer lasting than the others, but its only available to select high end detailers.

 

Hi Eric,

I just noticed this post of you bashing Ceramic Pro. I just wanted to clarify a few inconsistencies in your uneducated review of this product.

1. Ceramic Pro does not claim 9h hardness on the MOHS scale lol. Where would you get such a ridiculous idea from? The fact you may have believed a silica based product would ever provide this type of hardness would lead me to a lot more questions than needs to be addressed in this forum...

2. You stated as "fact" that Ceramic Pro does not "look as good" as the coating you prefer to install. But, after a quick search of your Instagram page, I noticed a post of you attempting to sell your unused Ceramic Pro products. Another Detailer asked you why you are selling the product. You commented back that basically, because you are not capable of installing 9h without marring the soft paint, this product is too much of a "PITA" for you to install. You go on to praise the rest of the product line and even say that Ceramic Pro sport is "awesome". How funny you would think the easiest to install product out of the entire line of products is the most "awesome" LOL.

I have owned a detail business for 17 years. I have been featured in many magazines and on tv. I exclusively offer the Ceramic Pro line of products after extensive testing in the ceramic product market. I will absolutely agree with you Eric, this product is a PITA to install. But, proper paint correction is not "quick" or "easy" either. And it looks like we both offer that service to our clients. As for the comment that it doesn't "look as good"... Well, that would absolutely be due to the installer and not the product. This product contains a very high amount of silica compared to the other product you are currently praising. As a professional and a man of high business ethics, I would never talk down another product or bash it publicly. But, I will say.. If you fee the need to compare product lines to each other, you should make sure you are comparing products in the same category. Which means, the products should be comparable in thickness, hardness, longevity, chemical composition, silica content and warranty.

You bought a sample of a product... You failed miserably at installing it (due to lack of proper technique and general knowledge of ceramic products)... And ran back to what you can make a "quick buck" on.

If anyone needs questions answered regarding this product by an experienced Detailer and CERTIFIED INSTALLER. I would be happy to answer any questions.
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I've never heard of Nick and though I don't know Eric personally I follow his line of articles on detailed image. I am a detailing nerd.

Without a double the 9h is a fishy line. I called trying to get a straight answer on the product when I saw a rediculous video of a lighter beating a black car coated with 9h. I bag no doubt those blows if real would have dented a panel.

I know some of the top guys in the business. If 9h was so good they would be using it.

The top pros in my area are using pro coatings from opticoat, cquartz or Geyeon.

I have and am using polish angel, opticoat gloss coat. Gtechnig Exo, 22ple.

If you want to change my mind I need to use it and see how it wears. I'm not a pro for hire but I have pro level skills. People like to over complicate the installation of a coating. Of all the products I. Have tried some set up faster than others but none are hard to install.


Trust someone's option to know not someone you don't on the Internet. Most of you guys spend big dollars on cars and details. Ask around in your car clubs and you will see whose satisfied and who's not.

 

As a rule, you should never trust any product based on a video or opinion you may have viewed on the Internet. I absolutely agree that the blows from a lighter should dent any panel we use as a test panel (mine usually do). The test is actually to show scratch resistance, not dent resistance. A coating is not on the market yet that can resist denting metal. I do hope it comes soon though haha.

If you were to call me to inquire about Ceramic Pro coating, I would ask you to come to my shop to discuss and show you in person. I am aware that people get the wrong idea or jump to conclusions based on some of the videos online these days. I like to educate clients and not "sell them".

As I stated in my previous post. I would never bash another coating online. I don't believe there is a "bad" ceramic coating on the market. Any ceramic product is going to protect much better than a wax or sealant. Which coating someone may choose should be based on education and not someone trying to talk up the product they happen to carry and install at their shop. If someone wants another brand of coating, I am happy to send them down the street.

As far as what the pros in your particular area are choosing to use is exactly that, a personal choice for them as professionals. I choose to exclusively use Menzerna products in my shop. It doesn't mean that the other similar products you mentioned are bad products though. Alot of detailers I know base their decisions and reviews based on politics in the detail community and personal relationships with manufacturers. I base my decisions and choose products for my shop based on what's in the best interest of my clients.

 

I cannot disagree with anything you wrote in this post (below) All I can say is, I have no first hand experience with 9H, but what I have seen and heard make my BS meter twitch.

I am sure you will agree in this industry of re labeling and outlandish claims you would stick to what you have seen or used yourself, or what is used by people you know in the industry that you trust and respect.

If you would like my opinion, if you send me a sample I would be happy to set the record straight if I am wrong. I am a non pro with pro skills. I have a fully equipped space and other than the fact that is winter here, I would love to try it. Send me enough for 1 panel and I will run it this winter until m lease is up on my hood and roof (2 hardest areas to keep beading). If your not the manufactures rep, I don't want you to go to the expense to send me a sample, I really don't care that much. I would just be willing to honestly report my findings and find out myself is my hunch is dead on or unfounded. I'm not paid to use anyones products and I review all the products I try on the detailing boards. Since I am not a pro, I review consumer coatings not the pro lines.

Unless I see it for myself or someone I know tells me 9H is the real deal, I will remain a skeptic based on what I now of the product.

 

polished detail, is this a plug for you to promote your business here and the ceramic pro line that you only use in your shop? Why are you calling me out for stating personal findings after doing my own tests and incorrectly stating I don't know what I am doing?

I have stated before, I have used it, installed it correctly (even had the head guys come out and take a look at the panel when they took me to lunch, and one even commented the Cquartz Finest section looks better since I had my hood split into a 3 coating test, but the ceramic pro showed a tad less marring as we wiped it with a dry microfiber, but who does that regularly? The whole hood was compounded, polished, cleaned. I then did the primer for ceramic pro, then Two layers of 9H, one layer of Light (yes, 4 steps of CP). Two layers of Cquartz Finest. One layer of 22ple. So yes, I have used it, installed it personally, installed it correctly (dont know where you got I did it wrong from) and came up with real world conclusion based on personal experience.

I like the sport spray, whats wrong with liking one product from a line up and not others and why is it funny that its an easy product to install and I think its awesome? Im confused by that comment. Just as you stated you push the menzerna line up, I also use a lot of menzerna, but hate the top inspection final spray. Personal preference! CP LIGHT is easy to use, just like Cquartz is, but I am not forced to only offer Cquartz like the Ceramic Pro guys were telling me I wouldnt be able to use other coatings if I wanted to buy in and use CP. That right there was a red flag as well.

I have even had guys from a tuner shop tell me that Cquartz looks better on his car than the ceramic pro did, so much so that he had the ceramic pro car redone with cquartz after heavy correction to removed it.

So im not just "bashing" the product because I dont offer it (like you are claiming it's so good because that's the only one you offer as you stated). I have other coatings I use for different situations, I have some I will not use again for ease of use vs benefits are not worth it, protection is not up to par, or it doesnt look as good.

The look of the product is not based on installer, it is in fact the product itself. How would the installer alter the look of the coating? You cant get it to look glossier on one car and then not as glossy on the next...im confused by that comment.

Very curious as to what your real motive here is...

 

Well Eric,

I'm confused by your statement that the look of a product is not based on the installer.

Isn't that the reason both products we choose to use are for professionals only?

If the install looks amazing no matter how it is installed, why would it matter who wipes it on the car?

Last time I checked, all coatings required "leveling" or removal of excess product. How it is removed/leveled and with what is absolutely a huge factor in the end result, protection and gloss. Knowing the different types of paint (single stage, base/clear etc) makes a large difference in proper installation and final appearance. Temperature, dust and humidity play a role in professional installation. So, I must absolutely disagree with your logic here.


Ceramic Pro has never and still does not require it's installers to "choose" only their product lol. There are guys in your area that install your favorite coating and Ceramic Pro and many other top brands FYI. I personally CHOOSE to only offer CP based on my findings and research. I was not turned down by any other company or told to do so by anyone. I have also removed your coating from many vehicles to reinstall CP (it took about an hour to remove, which is why I don't sell it) Check into it before taking your stance next time.

When it comes to any product, there will always be favorites or disagreements. Spend some time with a Porsche guy, Lamborghini guy and Ferrari guy lol. It will never change. But, they don't need to go trying to convince the general public in a forum that the other car is a scam or inferior just because they had a bad experience attempting to test drive one.




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I just bought a new Audi and dropped it off immediately at my local detailer. He applied Ceramic Pro and I'm very happy. The car just doesn't get dirty. It has a great shine and water hits the body and quickly quickly goes away.
I can't speak about competitive products but I can tell you that I am very happy with Ceramic Pro.