430 Anybody on here own a Scuderia and a 2005/06 Ford GT or have driven both?

I rode in a '05 Ford GT once. It felt and sounded like any other muscle car to me. I also recently drove a Scuderia. Made me want to give up my 458 search. You KNOW you're in a race car when you go through the gears in one of those.

 

It's not a GT40, but my Superformance Shelby Daytona coupe gives me the same impression as the GT40 did to SoftwareDrone. Just a muscle car and nothing special. Feels like a Warthog with loud twin Harley engine sound and tree-pulling torque. I prefer the go-cart feeling of my 360 and the Ferrari engine sound. The Daytona is faster but just not the same. I am not a muscle car guy, and the Daytona Coupe is for sale. My 360 is just more fun and is a manual. I enjoy working the 3 pedals, so I am old school, but the muscle thing is just too old for me. I love the looks of the later model Ferraris, but the F1 flippy padel thing does not do it for me.

 

Yes. I have both. Very different cars. GT is more stable, has much more low end torque and has a much more menacing proportion. Scuderia is light and nimble and screams on the top end. Two very different cars and compliment each other. When I finish my weekend morning drive in the Scuderia, I want to drive more. With the GT, when I am done driving, I am completely satisfied. No need to drive another car.

 

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Have not driven a Scud. But have many miles in a FGT, as well as a CS. Like was stated above, FGT is remarkably stable and solid feeling. It loafs along at 80mph at 2000rpm all day. It has a very planted feeling, in a good way. Handling is great, sharp crisp turn in with a bit of roll to plant it's grip, and then explosive acceleration when you want it. Engine is brutal, and very mod friendly. The one I drove had a whipple SC pushing 700 hp to the wheels. Power everywhere, from 1500rpm to redline. It could light up the tires at 80mph. No TC, stability control, ABS is all you get. The cool factor also is off the chart, and everyone seems to love it.

CS in comparison felt much lighter on it's toes, you could feel every nuance in the road. Responsiveness to steering inputs is much quicker, the FGT makes it feel ... nervous .... for lack of better word. I would say the CS felt in complete balance though, i.e. it's braking, direction changing, and acceleration capability all felt evenly matched. The FGT is just much, much faster, less high strung, and planted feeling IMO.

 

Just be careful, the top of those Ford GT doors can really hurt if you're not careful...

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Have driven a Scuderia several times and have owned an FGT for going on 5 years. It was interesting that the FGT I bought and the Scuderia were both at the same price point at the time ($180k-ish) so it was a good opportunity to compare the cars on their merits without any financial issues in the way.

It is a much different comparison than comparing Ferrari V8s against each other. The Scuderia is very light on its "feet" with a high revving but low torque engine that sings at the upper end. To this day, it is the only Ferrari that I have driven that is what I expected a Ferrari should feel like. Feeling and hearing the engine along with stones bouncing against the undercarriage because of the lack of sound deadening is worth the price of admission all by itself. If I could have both, I would consider buying one yet again. And I might have an opportunity later this year.

The FGT is a street fighter plain and simple. It has an angry growl all through the rev range (mine has a custom exhaust that accentuates this). It has NO DRIVER "aids" at all so it takes a high level of driving skill and is the reason many have CarFax blemishes and there are alot of repaired salvages. Added HP is insanely cheap, for $1,500 you are at the 650 RW HP level (this is where mine is at). But this isn't a 90s Viper that spends alot of time in the grass, this car handles really well. The ride is great, the steering feel is great (if a little heavier than the Scuderia), the brakes are great, the balance is great.....dynamically it has no weaknesses.

The doors suck, for sure. And the interior is very spartan, no Italian leather here......well except for my car, where a previous owner took out the industrial grade Ford leather and replaced it with a fine grain leather with red deviated stitching. The gauges break, some parts are getting hard to obtain, there is only one tire choice and they get scarce at times.

But it is IMO the greatest car of the first 100 years of the automotive business in the USA.....if you spend enough time with it you will wonder how in the hell mid 2000s Ford did this.

No bad choice here, I think the single largest variable for a person to choose is are they looking for a high revving lower torque car where you most enjoy the ride when exceeding 7,000 rpm, or do you want the car with gobs of stomach wrenching torque but that only revs to 6,500 rpm?

 

The Scuderia is a much better car than the 458 IMO if you value a more visceral ride....the 458 was isolating....and kinda boring at least in coupe form.

On the FGT, it needs to be driven to appreciate it

 

Great post, and great twosome of cars....congrats

 

Very true, any owner that says he hasn't gotten a noggin buster is lying......or he was hit so hard he forgot it LOL

 

So you were on the hunt for another 60s Ferrari, and know you have a Scuderia. Are you changing your plan?

 

Pantera's need to be sorted before they're decent cars. Prices won't appreciate but they will likely always hover around $70-90k (unless a GT4, GT5, etc). 930 Turbos will always do well. The gearbox is ****e, though. The 400GT....the face only a mother could love. As an ex-owner of a vintage Lamborghini, good luck finding parts when things break (and they WILL break on an old Lambo). I think the FGT has hit it's market peak for the foreseeable future. They don't seem to stray away from the $3-500k range depending on livery and mileage. As a CS and FGT owner, I would echo what's already been said. What I'd also add is the car truly is bulletproof. 12 years, 20k miles and I've done routine maintenance/tires, replaced a bad MAF, and one leaking shock (then just switched to Ohlins).

 

I've had a scud about 10 years now, and have driven the new and old Ford GT, as well as a CAV replica. The scud is more raw and has more feedback. Given that the FGT is a lot more money these days, it would be hard to choose it over a scud. Having a scud though, I'm planning to add a FGT. I love the way it handles and the drivetrain. It's a beautiful shape and design. Interestingly, I drove the new and old FGT back to back, and much preferred the old FGT. The new one was visceral, but not more involving, and for what they cost, the fun factor to me just did not align.

 

The FGT being alot more money really depends on what you get. If one will accept a car with miles and isn't perfect, I suspect sub $300k is possible if one has patience. This is about where my car would sit probably. I just wanted one to drive, not to rub it down with diapers and truck it to shows to save mileage. And it coming with $40k of great mods (which is ok in the FGT world) was just a plus.

I just don't like the new FGT, either the engine or the design inside and out. Props for it being a 24 hr champion and all, but it's not for me.

 

Good comprehensive review of the FGT by a guy with a rediculous collection......spoiler alert, he kinda likes it

 

I would keep the Ford for sure. Appreciate mechanical simplicity and prefer manual transmission. Fortunately, unlike wife(ves) I can have many more than one

 

Thank you. I have read many of your insightful posts and have found that we have similar philosophy about enjoying the cars.

 

Yes, by "old" I meant the '05 FGT, and the "new" being the '16 FGT. The CAV GT40 replica was a whole different experience beign a 60's replica. I loved that too, but the idea of the fuel tanks being on the outboard sills to the occupants, the safety scares me too much.

I'd be aiming for an '05 driver with some miles as well. The new FGT, the first half of the drive I was in awe because it is so different than other cars, even compared to the all carbon 675LT I drove the same day, but the second half I lost interest in it.

 

At a new FGT?