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  1. Marcel Massini

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    See 06003 thread.

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  2. amenasce

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    Anyone know how much the current owner paid for the 250 speciale that was no sale at 7.5m?

    Seems like a lot to turn down unless he had offers before the auction.
     
  3. Marcel Massini

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    First you should be sure that there was a real offer.

    Car last sold March 1998.

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  4. srslusso

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    I’m not there but see prices falling
    What’s going on in Scottsdale?
     
  5. Christian.Fr

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    RM results? 2 days afther and no results
    Berezina??
     
  6. amenasce

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    For sure. But if there was a real offer, and he bought it in 1998 - how much would that have cost back then - $1m? Werent GTOs $3m in the end of the 90s?
     
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  8. Marcel Massini

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    At the end of the 1990s a 250 GTO was between 4.5 and 6.7 M USD$.

    In December 1999 a standard 250 GT Coupé Pinin Farina was US$ 50'000 (average asking price).

    Marcel Massini
     
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  9. Marcel Massini

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    All prices can easily be found on Harley Cluxton IV's app hammerprice.
    Cluxton IV is the son of renowned Ferrarista Harley Cluxton III in Scottsdale (GTC/Mirage).

    Marcel Massini
     
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  10. Christian.Fr

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  11. rob lay

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    Hagerty app is really good for the auction results, but I will try this one too. Thanks.
     
  12. Christian.Fr

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    Goodingco seems to have sold a lot of them.
     
  13. geno berns

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    #38 geno berns, Jan 20, 2019
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    Fast forward 20 years and a very nice older restoration 250 PF Coupe brings $1.1MM per a recent auction result. Some classic Ferrari’s are dong better than others. The PF with it’s over 2000% increase beat out the 250 GTO by about 1000% or did twice as good in the last two decades.
     
  14. Clint Wrigley

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    Great resource! Thanks Marcel
     
  15. sperry

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    This is an amazingly great app. No surprise the developer has longtime connections in the classic car world.

    That said, it used to be 100% free and now has a $10 monthly fee... all great things must come to an end :)
     
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  16. Foncool

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    Still Free for sale results, but if you want details on the lot it will cost $10 per month
     
  17. mchas

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    It now annoyingly asks to subscribe after clicking on every single listing. Really annoying.
     
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  18. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    All of the results from Bonhams, Gooding, RM and Worldwide

    Year - Make - Model - Chassis/ VIN - Sale - Est. Low>High - US$ gross sale - EUR gross sale

    1952 Ferrari 212 Europa Pininfarina Cabriolet 0235EU Gooding Scottsdale $1,900,000 $2,200,000 $1,930,000 €1,692,685 Mid
    1953 Ferrari 250MM Vignale Spider 0348M Gooding Scottsdale $5,500,000 $6,500,000 $5,395,000 €4,731,625 -2%
    1954 Ferrari 500 Mondial 0438MD Bonhams Scottsdale Unknown Unknown Not sold Not sold N/A
    1957 Ferrari 250GT Pininfarina Coupe Special 0751GT RM Scottsdale $11,000,000 $13,000,000 Not sold Not sold N/A
    1958 Ferrari 250GT Tour de France 1037GT Gooding Scottsdale $5,750,000 $6,500,000 $5,890,000 €5,165,760 Mid
    1959 Ferrari 250GT 1315GT Gooding Scottsdale $600,000 $700,000 $599,000 €525,346 -1%
    1961 Ferrari 250 GTE 2475GT Gooding Scottsdale $300,000 $400,000 $313,000 €274,513 Mid
    1963 Ferrari 250GT Short Wheelbase 4037GT Gooding Scottsdale $6,000,000 $8,000,000 $7,595,000 €6,661,111 Mid
    1963 Ferrari 250GT Lusso 5141GT Gooding Scottsdale $1,600,000 $1,800,000 $1,902,500 €1,668,567 6%
    1964 Ferrari 330GT 2 + 2 6077 Gooding Scottsdale $200,000 $250,000 N/R $162,400 €142,431 -19%
    1964 Ferrari 275GTB 06003 Gooding Scottsdale $6,000,000 $8,000,000 Not sold Not sold N/A
    1965 Ferrari 330GT 2 + 2 5401 Bonhams Scottsdale $230,000 $280,000 Not sold Not sold N/A
    1966 Ferrari 330GTC 8915 Gooding Scottsdale $650,000 $800,000 $620,000 €543,764 -5%
    1966 Ferrari 330GT 2 + 2 Series II 8627 Gooding Scottsdale $300,000 $375,000 Not sold Not sold N/A
    1967 Ferrari 330GTS 10773 RM Scottsdale $2,200,000 $2,500,000 $2,012,500 €1,765,041 -9%
    1967 Ferrari 275GTB/4 10051 RM Scottsdale $2,800,000 $3,200,000 Not sold Not sold N/A
    1968 Ferrari 330GTC 11517 RM Scottsdale $600,000 $800,000 $687,000 €602,526 Mid
    1969 Ferrari 365GT 2 + 2 12633 RM Scottsdale $250,000 $300,000 $215,000 €188,563 -14%
    1969 Ferrari 206GT 00184 Worldwide Scottsdale $525,000 $625,000 Not sold Not sold N/A
    1969 Ferrari 365GTB/4 cut coupe 12815 Worldwide Scottsdale $650,000 $725,000 Not sold Not sold N/A
    1970 Ferrari 365 GT 2+2 13139 Bonhams Scottsdale $125,000 $175,000 $198,800 €174,355 14%
    1970 Ferrari 365 GT 2+2 13049 Gooding Scottsdale $220,000 $250,000 N/R $212,800 €186,634 -3%
    1971 Ferrari 365GTS/4 Michelotti Spider 14299 RM Scottsdale $600,000 $650,000 $670,500 €588,055 3%
    1971 Ferrari 365GTB/4 14279 Worldwide Scottsdale $675,000 $750,000 Not sold Not sold N/A
    1972 Ferrari 246GT 03532 Gooding Scottsdale $275,000 $325,000 $240,800 €211,191 -12%
    1972 Ferrari 365GTB/4 15517 Gooding Scottsdale $600,000 $750,000 $522,000 €457,814 -13%
    1973 Ferrari 246GTS 05686 Gooding Scottsdale $450,000 $550,000 $555,000 €486,757 1%
    1973 Ferrari 365GTB/4 17607 RM Scottsdale $575,000 $675,000 $577,000 €506,052 Mid
    1973 Ferrari 365GTS/4 16839 RM Scottsdale $2,200,000 $2,600,000 Not sold Not sold N/A
    1973 Ferrari 365GTB/4 16965 RM Scottsdale $650,000 $750,000 Not sold Not sold N/A
    1973 Ferrari 246GT 07520 RM Scottsdale $400,000 $500,000 $500,000 €438,520 Mid
    1973 Ferrari 246GTS 06274 Worldwide Scottsdale $275,000 $325,000 $258,500 €226,715 -6%
    1980 Ferrari 512BB 34351 Gooding Scottsdale $250,000 $325,000 Not sold Not sold N/A
    1982 Ferrari 308GTS 42807 Gooding Scottsdale $100,000 $150,000 N/R $89,600 €78,583 -10%
    1983 Ferrari 512BBi 43859 Gooding Scottsdale $250,000 $325,000 $235,200 €206,280 -6%
    1983 Ferrari 512BBi 44993 RM Scottsdale $275,000 $325,000 $252,000 €221,014 -8%
    1985 Ferrari 288GTO 55713 Gooding Scottsdale $2,500,000 $3,000,000 $2,507,500 €2,199,175 Mid
    1985 Ferrari 288GTO 56761 RM Scottsdale $3,200,000 $3,600,000 $3,360,000 €2,946,851 Mid
    1987 Ferrari 328GTB 68647 Bonhams Scottsdale $140,000 $180,000 N/R $95,200 €83,494 -32%
    1988 Ferrari Testarossa 76899 Bonhams Scottsdale $100,000 $125,000 N/R $86,800 €76,127 -13%
    1988 Ferrari 328GTB 75912 Gooding Scottsdale $100,000 $130,000 N/R $84,000 €73,671 -16%
    1989 Ferrari Testarossa 80179 Gooding Scottsdale $250,000 $300,000 $221,200 €194,001 -12%
    1989 Ferrari 328GTS 81887 Gooding Scottsdale $130,000 $160,000 N/R $123,200 €108,051 -5%
    1989 Ferrari 328GTS 81609 Gooding Scottsdale $140,000 $160,000 N/R $106,400 €93,317 -24%
    1989 Ferrari 328GTS 82566 Gooding Scottsdale $120,000 $140,000 N/R $106,400 €93,317 -11%
    1989 Ferrari 208GTS Turbo 79700 RM Scottsdale $100,000 $125,000 N/R $100,800 €88,406 Mid
    1995 Ferrari F512M 100380 RM Scottsdale $325,000 $375,000 $357,000 €313,103 Mid
    1996 Ferrari F355GTS 104887 RM Scottsdale $60,000 $80,000 N/R $78,400 €68,760 Mid
    1998 Ferrari 456GTA 110808 Bonhams Scottsdale $45,000 $65,000 N/R $49,280 €43,220 Mid
    1999 Ferrari 360 Modena 116590 Bonhams Scottsdale $60,000 $90,000 N/R $87,360 €76,618 Mid
    2003 Ferrari 575M Maranello 133420 Bonhams Scottsdale $110,000 $130,000 N/R $112,000 €98,228 Mid
    2005 Ferrari F430 142105 Gooding Scottsdale $150,000 $200,000 N/R $151,200 €132,608 Mid
    2005 Ferrari 575 Superamerica 143799 Gooding Scottsdale $600,000 $700,000 $582,500 €510,875 -3%
    2005 Ferrari 575 Superamerica 143924 Gooding Scottsdale $350,000 $400,000 Not sold Not sold N/A
    2005 Ferrari 575 Superamerica 144238 RM Scottsdale $350,000 $400,000 N/R $343,250 €301,044 -2%
    2006 Ferrari F430 Spider 149477 RM Scottsdale $125,000 $150,000 N/R $112,000 €98,228 -10%
    2008 Ferrari 599GTB 161636 RM Scottsdale $225,000 $275,000 $235,200 €206,280 Mid
    2008 Ferrari F430GTC 2604 RM Scottsdale $425,000 $475,000 $350,000 €306,964 -18%
    2009 Ferrari 16M Scuderia Spider 169034 Gooding Scottsdale $350,000 $400,000 $379,000 €332,398 Mid
    2015 Ferrari 458 Speciale 204842 Gooding Scottsdale $300,000 $350,000 N/R $373,500 €327,574 7%
    2017 Ferrari F12 TDf 224226 RM Scottsdale $950,000 $1,100,000 $1,006,000 €882,301 Mid
    2017 Ferrari LaFerrari Aperta 224581 RM Scottsdale $6,500,000 $8,500,000 Not sold Not sold N/A
    2018 Ferrari GTC4 Lusso 70th Anniversary 232718 Gooding Scottsdale $400,000 $500,000 Not sold Not sold N/A

    As ever full and free coverage of these and all lots is available at www.autoauctionsmonthly.com
     
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  19. Christian.Fr

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    Rm prices very high, very optimist...
     
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  21. gcalex

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    Now for sale at Continental for $775k...

    https://www.continentalferrari.com/inventory/used-1968-ferrari-330gtc-00000000000011517

    So apparently someone agreed that there was more money in the car than RM managed to get.

    I looked over this car, and agree that (to my only modestly 330GTC informed eyes) it seemed hard to fault.

    Mind you, I thought the Gooding car seemed pretty good too. Albeit, not quite was "flesh" in all regards.
     
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  22. VinnieVintage

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    Oct 31, 2018
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    Seems odd. Why bother buying that yellow 330 then try and flip it for that much?

    When all is said and done, does the seller stand to make much money?

    Aren't their costs associated with delivering it from the auction, insurance, plus a commission to the dealer who is selling it, and then taxes?

    Perhaps that dealer bought it?

    Or does this mean Gooding's sell it?

    Thanks

    VV
     
  23. gcalex

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    I was assuming that the dealer bought it, and is trying to flip.

    Symbolic appeared to do something similar with a silver Daytona several months back (bought for something like $550k and then advertised at close to $700k (if I recall right)). Hyman appeared to do the same for with a spyder-conversion red Daytona (bought for around $450k, now advertised for close to $600k).
     
  24. VinnieVintage

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    Interesting. Thank you.
     

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