Alfa Romeo Tipo 33 Stradale

Scratch Made Cars - Car Blueprints Forum There can you find blueprints and there is stradale made in same graphic program.

Here some images
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Absolutely breathtaking

 

nice reply Cara.....when it comes to all cars odd, exotic, quirky, special AND Italian, you are the resource!!!

 

the single most gorgeous sports car ever made!!!!

 

Thank you

Last week I have buy a model car from stradale in 1/43 from Alfa romeo sport collection. Its wonderfull. When I made photos I post them here.

 

Great, at least we're getting some info together.

What did the frame look like, and will a Montreal engine fit in it dimensionally?

 

I dont know. The chasis from stradale are in Carabo, Navajo, 33,2 pininfarina, cuneo pininfarina, and P33 GS roadster pininfarina so far as I know. Today have Carabo motor from Montreal then its true what have I found on internet. If Carabo have stradale chasis and motor from montreal then engine from montreal past in stradale.

Some chasis photo from alfa 33. The image that is grey draw in some program is original stradale.
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Yes!

I remember now seeing pics of the frame in Auto Style or one of the other publications of the period.
I don't have it, but it also showed pics of a number of Stradales, which were all quite different in their outside details.

Thanks much for posting those chassis pictures!

 

Awesome pics of the chassis. And fantastic digital modelling! Is the digital model for sale?

 

scrach made cars there is the master who have made the graphic images. http://www.smcars.net/forums/

 

Wow that frame is very interesting. What was the purpose of the larger tubes as opposed to a more conventional frame?

 

To both hold fuel and serve as the chassis. It also liked to crack and leak. The original cars were even tested with fuel seals but no fuel bags in the tubes. Chiti was more of an engine designer than a chassis designer, although the magnesium castings were very light. A very complicated and expensive affair that loved to crack.

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2011-Chicago April 2011

 

Now that's waht I'm talking about

those days when Italian cars were supposed to be full of passion and totally ethnic designs

Miura , Mangusta and this Tipo 33 rule !

 

Seems to me that if one had $ufficient fund$, a modern tub could be replicated in CF molded over styrene that would address the issues of the original and at less cost. Ideally, would include a honeycomb panel floor. From the Alfa Romeo Bulletin Board, there is a body / kit car in the works. http://www.wrac.co.za/ForSale/33stradale/default.htm

 

That site has been around for a while now. Has there been any updates/progress?

 

x1000

My favorite car of all time, quite possibly the most beautiful vehicle ever produced.


MMM car porn!

 

The site in the link hasn't been updated for a long time. I sent the builder an e-mail many months ago, but didn't hear from him. Just sent another one, let's see.

 

This morning I was contacted by the builder of the 33 Stradale replica in South Africa.

At the moment he is a 1-man band, the body is made, the rolling chassis will be ready very soon, with bespoke A-arms and uprights, and he has chosen to set it up for the install of a Lexus V-8. We had a long talk, and I think he has chosen a very sensible aproach.
I will have current photos of the project within a few days

 

T33 engine does not equal a Montreal engine. Even the rumour that a Montreal engine is based on a T33 is apparently a stretch. Depends which book you read.

For a start the firing order is different as the T33 has a flat plane crank, while the Montreal is conventional v8 firing order. Some say A Montreal engine is pretty much 2 1300 Nord engines put together.

I doubt whether you could fix a T33 engine using a part from a Montreal engine, but I guess for a replica it would look close enough.

As for the chassis, it shows how more advanced Alfa Romeo were in those days than Ferrari. A T33 is a far better car than the Ferrari P3, P3/4 and P4's, often beating them with only 2 litres pushing them along. So I disagree with the negative comments regarding Chiti as a chassis engineer. He was pushing the boundaries back then, while Ferrari were still playing with spaceframes.
Pete

 

Since we're discussing the 33 Stradale here, we'll leave the chassis-merits for racing out of this. Whichever way you look at it, the chassis was unsuited for a road-car.
A Montreal V-8 can very well be turned into a flat-crank engine, as long as you also change the camshafts and adapt the firing order. It won't be cheap, but it is certainly not impossible.

 

+1

very different motors.

I would also say alfa was much more adventurous and advanced than the contemporary Ferraris. Look under the skin of a 250GTO compared to the TZ2 before it. However that doesn’t always mean the alfas were more effective. T33 had modern brilliant ideas: modern bolt on front and rear subframes, elktron castings, fuel cells, large section tube/tub construction. Somehow I reckon it was far too underdeveloped to make them consistent winners.

It reminds me of gordon murray’s dismal failures of the forward thinking Brabham alfa powered BT48 and the bmw BT55 cars. After disastrous outings, both chassis concepts evolved into the title winning BT49 with cosworth and the all concurring MP4 winning 15 or 16 races.

 

Interesting since modern Ferraris now use cast sections for their chassis, but the real problem was the fuel tanks (easily solved with bags inside the tubes).

The T33 was never intended to be a road car and the chassis was designed for racing only as that was its purpose, so I don't get the chassis-merit comments. Just because a few styling prototypes were made does not make a production model so we can't really give Alfa Romeo a hard time here, ie. the Stradale was NOT designed for the road, it was designed for the camera. Heck it was not designed, they took a T33 chassis and put a different body on it.

If I was going to make a replica I would make the T33 Daytona. The Stradale is like being the partner of a supermodel that does not want to be touched. The Daytona is more purposeful looking and has the results to prove it and will never disappoint as a road car because it never was designed as one ...
Pete

 

Always loved these cars, amazing chassis design. I was amazed at how small they were the first time I saw one in person.

 

I love these cars but they did very bad in racing for the first year due to chassis unreliablity, and the 3 litre chassis was even worse in 1969 due to poor chassis design details. I think Chiti was a good but sloppy chassis designer although he did have alot of help on these T33's. He also ran Autodelta very loose. The cars aften came to races in very ratty condition with more DNF's or crashes than any Alfa lover would have wished. Alfa should have hired someone else to run the sportscar team after 1967 leaving Chiti to design the engines and assist with chassis design. Autodelta's sportscar record from 1967-1977 speaks for itself and is not as good as it should have been. Lets also not forget about the Chiti ATS F1 chassis, a real winner.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2011-Chicago March 19th 2011