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Advice on removing Viper alarm system

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  1. nathandarby67

    nathandarby67 F1 Veteran
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    I am thinking about removing an alarm system from my car, and was hoping some others who are more familiar with these things could share a little insight, as I know pretty much squat about alarm systems. Reasons for removing it are my battery has a slow drain if the car stays parked for a week or two, and I am basically wanting to ward off any potential future electrical problems. I don't want to end up stranded because my alarm system decides to go nuts on me one day.

    As best I can tell, the car has two devices in it. A Viper alarm system (the stupid talking kind....it would go perfectly in a 1989 nissan lowrider pickup) and some sort of pager device made by DEI that is spliced into the radio and Viper alarm circuit. There are also a few sensors hidden away under the dash, an on-off toggle switch hidden under the driver's footwell carpet, and a tiny unmarked push button switch under the same carpet. Both of these switches are wired into a smaller DEI box under the dash (the main DEI pager box was in the center console by the radio). The wiring looks pretty well done, but uses a lot of crimp connectors.

    Anyhow, I am worried that if I just go yank all this stuff out the car will then not start due to me interrupting some ignition circuit or whatever. As best I can tell from all the wiring I have found so far, all the wires running to any of this stuff use "T" fittings to tap into the factory wiring. In other words the kind that clip around the original factory wire and pierce the insulation with a sharp point, thus leaving the original wires un-cut. Then they have leads running off to the various alarm boxes. So this leads me to believe that the alarm as a whole is more or less running "in parallel" with all the factory connections, as opposed to any of the factory wiring "running through" the alarm. Therefore I could just yank out the alarm, leaving all the factory wiring intact and the car working correctly, right?

    That just sounds too easy to be true, so I haven't pulled the trigger yet. Any advice from others that have removed cheesy 1990's alarm systems? I know there are many people here with much better knowledge about these systems than me, so I am looking forward to hearing from some of them!
     
  2. Miltonian

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    In an earlier lifetime, I was in charge of quality control at an Acura dealership. When we purchased cars at auctions or took them in trade, one of the first things I did was to pull out aftermarket alarm systems and throw them into the dumpster. I was NOT going to have cars sold at my store fail to start, or have dead batteries, or have sirens going off in the middle of the night for no reason, because of cheap alarm systems and shoddy installations. I imagine I removed well over a hundred of them.

    Most of them were quite easy to remove, because they are designed to be quite easy to install. Most of the control boxes were hanging loose under the dash or the console, they were hardly ever firmly attached. Once you find the control box, just follow the wires to where they are attached to the original harness, and snip them off. It's easier to clean up the wiring when you are only dealing with a splice and an inch of wire. I usually opened the splice (t-style) and tossed it, then checked to see if the factory wire was damaged in any way. If the copper was damaged, I would cut the wire in half and install a butt connector. If only the insulation was nicked, I would carefully tape over the cut on the individual wires, then tape over the entire bundle with good electrical tape. Then, I would strap the bundle back into a secure position using tie-wraps. The point is to not leave any exposed strands of wire, and to use good hardware installed with the proper tools (don't install butt connectors with pliers or wire cutters!).

    When cars had had sirens installed under the hood, I would toss these as well, and make sure that the firewall grommets were in place and intact.

    My own Ferrari did not have an alarm system in it when purchased, but it had an antique telephone and some kind of a theft locator system wired in. What a mess! It all had to come out.
     
  3. nathandarby67

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    Sounds good. I can see where about 80% of the wires lead to, and they are all T-splice type connectors. Hopefully the other 20% are as well. I was mainly worried that, for example, the main lead to the ignition was typically cut at some point and either end of that run into the control box, thus leaving an open circuit when the system was removed.
     
  4. Miltonian

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    You can't just snip the wires at the control box. You have to follow them to where they are attached onto the original harness. It is very likely that the wire from the ignition switch to the starter HAS actually been cut in half and attached to two leads that run to the control box. You need to check the harness to the ignition switch, it will probably need to be returned to the original layout, which should be easy if there is adequate accessability to it.
     
  5. nathandarby67

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    Correct. One of the wires from the ignition switch was cut and spliced through the box. Actually to a relay that was connected to the box. Anyhow, I finally got it all out. I have never clipped so many zip-ties in my life. I swear I must have taken out 10-15 pounds worth of control boxes, wires, speakers, sensors, relays, wires, and assorted crap. In addition to the ignition lead that was cut, I had to repair two other wires from the ignition switch harness where the t-splice connectors sliced through about half of the copper threads inside the wires. I used solder and heat shrink tubing to re-connect the wires, so they should be secure for the long haul. After getting everything back together I tried cranking the car and it fired right up, so looks like I came out ok. Now I have to take the door panels off to get the door locks working with the key, as before they only worked with the remote.

    Thanks so much for the advice!

    Nathan
     
  6. Kruegmeister

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    I'm about to remove a Viper Alarm System from the 348 I purchased. (1994 Spider)
    Curious as to where most of this wiring resided?
    All inside the Dash & Doors? Or was some in the Engine Bay/Frunk as well?
    Thanks in advance.
     
  7. Buck_nekid

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    In another lifetime I installed viper/python/avital/clifford systems. All problems with anything manufactured by DEI is install related and I agree there are many hacks out there putting these in.
    On your question as to where the parts are in the vehicle. You 'should' find the main control box under the drivers side dash, unless I was trying to hide everything then any place is fair game. There will be a siren which will be on the exterior of the vehicle, front or rear are both possibilities depending on the installer. You will find a starter cut relay where the starter wire will need to be connected back together. I can provide the wiring colors of the aftermarket unit to help in tracking down the various components once you find the 'brain.'
     

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