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Adios, Mooney

Discussion in 'Aviation Chat' started by NYC Fred, Nov 13, 2019.

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  1. NYC Fred

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  2. FarmerDave

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    That's too bad. I only learned recently that they were based in Junction, a short drive from where I live. I had hoped to make time and go see the operation next time I was that direction. Guess that won't be in the cards!
     
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    Total bummer and I’m not even into planes.

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  4. mikesufka

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    Crazy that Moony sold 4 airplanes in 2019 compared to 203 for Cirrus - is the Cirrus that much better of a plane? The parachute ? Are they priced the same?

    I thought the Moony & Bonanza were the two top dogs for single engine smaller airplanes ?

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  5. David_S

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    Wow! Always thought Mooney was super cool since they day they put out a plane with a Porsche engine. :(
     
  6. jcurry

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    That was a day that brought them to their knees (for the umpteenth time in their history). Total failure.
     
  7. tritone

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    A bit ambivalent here.....I flew in an evaluation aircraft umpteen times in the mid-80's.....never any issues in-flight, quieter, smoother......I thought it was gonna be a winnah!
    But of course, I was biased; as PCNA ad manager, the P-world was booming.....why not an airplane too!:) Think of the branding we could create!:D and a Mooney was waaaaay better than any old Cessna/Piper......
    We even talked to Bob Hoover to see if there was an opportunity there.....
    (I wanted to think of it as a 928 with wings; unfortunately, it was missing 2 cylinders......):cool:
     
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    Wasn't TBO much shorter?
     
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    The Cirrus is $200K-$300K cheaper than the Mooney depending on options.
     
  10. Tcar

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    Probably had a shorter TBO....couldn't find anything.... was a smaller geared engine that ran at over 5K RPM. It ran smoother as it was running a lot faster. And quieter. Muffler.

    And, it's heavier, larger (more frontal area - drag).

    Also used a cooling fan like the 911. Produced more drag.

    And it was expensive.

    Recall it was also available on the 172.

    As I recall, I don't think it had any parts commonality with the 911 3.2 engine, either.
     
  11. tritone

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    Sorry, beyond my pay grade......then or now!:D
     
  12. boxerman

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    And thats the issue.
    The Mooney way too expensive. Plus you can geta used one with near the same performance for a fraction of the price.
    New single engines, lots of great "kit built" ones out there to buy and being sold..
     
  13. mikesufka

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    So a question for you pilots - if a Mooney and a Cirrus were both sitting there brand new and free, which would you rather have ?

    MDS
     
  14. Bob Parks

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    The MOONEY !
     
  15. Tcar

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    The BONANZA!
     
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  16. tritone

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    The 2025 "new Bonanza V-Tail"........:p
     
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  18. jcurry

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    That was a big part of the problem. I doubt any of them came close to TBO before requiring OH. IIRC they were all subject to mods but o try to overcome shortcomings in longevity.

    The one positive was the required lengthening of the fuselage for W&B purposes. This airframe became successful with the introduction of the TLS series.
     
  19. Bob Parks

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    I'm not thinking about the new Mooney with the Porche engine. I'm thinking about the earlier Mooney M20, if my memory serves me. Years ago with a Lyc 180. A very nice flying airplane .
     
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    I remember when they came out. A friend who was an A+P said they'd never make it if for no other reason than the TBO. As I recall it was something like 1200 hrs.
     
  21. Juan-Manuel Fantango

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    We looked at both and flew the Acclaim last year and i think Cirrus and Mooney were about equally priced-at least that is what we found. Lots of things to like about the Mooney I thought. But not ready for the 242 knots. So we settled on a new Diamond DA40 NG Diesel. Love it so far but 200 knots plus would be cool. I bet you can get a bargain on an Ovation or Acclaim right about now.
     
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    278 mph is really moving for a light single. About the same top speed as the prewar P-35A.
     
  23. Bob Parks

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    Who in the world would know what a P-35A is? I know. Alexander Seversky
     
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    Wouldn't think so. In 25+ yrs of Mooney ownership I probably only used a factory supplied part less than a handful of times. Other than making major structural repairs parts are easy to obtain. The most probably items are powerplant and avionics related which don't need any factory support.
     

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