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AC compressor pulley loose, grinding/scratching and burning belt. Next steps/options?

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  1. Jaymac

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    #1 Jaymac, May 9, 2022
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    Hi guys,
    Some of you may recall my recent AC saga. Now I may know why it popped the fuse in the first place. Recently I’ve been hearing what sounded like bearing noise under certain driving conditions. Occasionally a rattle at start-up, and occasional sounds of what sounded like a belt scraping over a stationary pulley. Just yesterday I merged onto the highway and smelled burning rubber for 30-45 seconds after WOT. Same thing on the ride home. I visually inspected and sniffed around the engine bay before and after each drive. AC also wasn’t as cold as when I first replaced the blown fuse.
    I was hoping this was going to be an idler pulley or the bearing pulley, but I took off the belt today, and naturally, it’s the AC compressor pulley. It has obvious play, easily being rocked front to back. And it grinds when you turn it, like it’s full of sand. Not seized, but not anywhere near smooth and silent. Additionally, there’s a black dust that sprinkles out of the backside of the pulley when you’re spinning it.
    The clutch itself spins smoothly and freely with the engine off.
    So, what’s next? Is this a full compressor replacement/rebuild? Or are any of the pulley components individually replaceable? If so, is this something that can be replaced without evacuating the AC, ie, at home?

    Thanks,
    Jeremy
     
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    I should also add that this compressor was rebuilt 6K miles/6 years ago. That being the case, would it be best practice to avoid rebuilding this compressor for the second time, and just replace it? Or are multiple rebuild not considered irresponsible?
    I already have a replacement receiver/dryer waiting, and will replace that as part of this service if a compressor rebuild/replacement is in order.
     
  3. mike32

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    Is this a support bearing behind he clutch for the compressor rotor ? The sand explanation sounds like a ball race has broken its cage. Assuming the bearing are lubricated by the oil in the system, i wonder if it had enough oil last rebuild
     
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    Not sure, but plausible. The entire pulley rocks back and forth, and has that gritty sand. Bearing race is likely shot, if nothing else. I can’t speak to the quality of the last rebuild, as it was done two or three owners ago.
    I’m leaning towards full replacement at this point.
    Does anyone have a list of cross-references for compressors that are compatible? I know it’s a fairly ubiquitous piece, and not proprietary to Ferrari in the least. Just wondering which application trades for the best price while being completely plug and play?
     
  5. INRange

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    The clutch assembly is separate from the compressor. As Mike32 points out the front of the compressor has a bearing on it as well. Some combination of that bearing, the shaft and the clutch assembly is the problem. That accounts for the noise but the belt burning probably has more to do with the tension on the pulley.

    New ones are $3k....rebuilt ones are 1/2 of that. It may be worthwhile to send yours to be rebuilt properly. Unless the case is cracked......it can be rebuilt with new bearings, seals and clutch assembly.
     
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    Oof. I was not expecting 3K. 2, maybe, but 3 just for the part? That’s a lot. I’ve seen companies offering rebuild services of your unit for $450. I’d be willing to try that first. Even if it only lasted a few years, I could have it rebuilt 7 times for the price of one new one, and by that time I might be dead anyway :D

    Next question: could the car run without the compressor while it’s being rebuilt? I had one shop quote me 3-4 weeks for a rebuild turnaround time. I’d hate to have the car down and out for a month during prime time drive and event season!
     
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    The tension was actually low on the existing belt when I checked it before removal. It was 121Hz, as opposed to the 155-165 or thereabouts that it’s supposed to be. I corrected the tension when I reinstalled, even though it’s a moot point at this time.
     
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    You can have your ax comp rebuilt for under 500$. There is a shop in Nevada that rebuilt my spare unit.
     
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    Can you PM me with the details of that shop?
    Thanks
     
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    #10 one4torque, May 10, 2022
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    RANSHU INC.
    525 CONEY ISLAND DR
    SPARKS, NV 89431
    1-800-628-0474
    www.ranshu.com


    They fixed me up. I bought a used 360 compressor from eBay.., then had it rebuilt by ranshu.

    you will want to call them to let them know it is coming. These guys rebuild thousands of comp per year…, You will make an act w them.

    it was easy cheap solution
     
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    Bear in mind that if the bearing has broken up then some of this metal rubbish may travel around the system and get trapped in the inlet screen fitted to the drier, not a fan of un needed drier changes but will need doing in this case.
     
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    I actually did just buy a drier, so it’ll be a perfect time to put that in if I have to replace the compressor.

    The compressor replacement seems like a diy job if a shop can evacuate before and then refill the system after. Is that fair to say?
     
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    It depends what you find when you get the compressor out, has the buggered bearing got in the system.
    Once you decide, you need to fit the compressor first and then they will evacuate the system, before adding the gas etc. you can only the vac the system with everything in place and sealed
     
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    Depending on what you find…..I would flush the lines. If there is debris in the lines….it will shorten the life of the rebuilt compressor.

    The only real decision you have to make now is when to do the work. If you do it now….the car is down until everything is back together.

    One last thing…..make sure the compressor has the right type and amount of oil in it before you install it.

    You are going to need more tools if you plan on flushing, evacuating and weighing in a new charge.:)
     
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    I will most likely have a shop handle all of those things. I’m a big DIY’er, but I’m more than happy to admit when something is beyond what I’m willing or able to attempt.
     
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    Any scrap from the old compressor will go down the line through the condenser radiator and will be caught up in the filter gauze fitted to the inlet side of the drier, it will not get past this to the exp valve as very fine gauze, plus you have the drier beads.
     
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    Perfect. In that case, my plan to replace the drier at the same time should cover that base as well!
     
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    Snap- the 360 comp is a common compressor with one major exception- Ferrari 360 comp has bespoke mounting ears.

    be sure the alien exp source have the relatively low production Ferrari mount tabs.
     
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    Jaymac, just caught this post.
    Just out of curiosity.. did the little nut that holds on clutch/ pulley come off or loose. It's deep in the pulley..
    You mention pulley moves back and forth. Do you mean in and out..
    The China compressor looks similar but clutch attached does not, also more grooves in the pulley than OEM
     
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    I did not check that nut before. I could, but regardless, the pulley grinds and binds as I turn it by hand anyway ( with the belt removed), so it will be getting replaced regardless. I’m assuming the grinding /scraping is a bearing failure of sorts, as is the play in the pulley. I do have videos of it, but FChat won’t let me load the files as they’re too big.
    I ended up placing an order for a rebuilt compressor from Compressor International, and I will be sending mine back for a core return refund. It would cost me the same either way in the end to rebuild mine or buy a completed rebuild from them, but with a complete lack of downtime with the core exchange option.
    I already have a new receiver/dryer waiting, and I’ve ordered a full suite of O-rings and gaskets to replace all the pieces involved in replacement of both items, as well as a new belt.
    I’ve made arrangements with a local shop to evacuate the system for me, and I’ll swap in the new parts at home and bring it back for a vacuum test and recharge once the swap is done.
    Here’s hoping!
     
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    Sure, I was just posting the model that was for the 430. I'd get the part number and cross reference it on all the sites that sell them, and pick the one that suits. I am using the one I posted and so far it has been great for 300 bucks.
     
  23. Some Guy in the sky

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    They rebuilt my compressor about 4 years ago and everything is still in good working condition. I should say that my only problem was a bad seal so the amount of work needed was minimal.
     
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    I called Ranshu and was informed that they only deal with shops/businesses, and not directly with the public consumer. So, next call was to Compressor International
     
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    Great sounds like you have things sorted out and in control.
    Only reason I asked about the nut coming off or loose, was we have seen this on a few occasions. What tends to happen is the pulley gets into a bind under belt tension and wobbles in and out and tears the front bearing apart. Clutch slip and no cooling happens at the same time.
    Good luck, it's not a difficult job. Have fun.
     

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