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A "not-so-expensive" brake upgrade for F355

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  1. johan6504

    johan6504 Formula 3

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    The color is a RAL color called karminorot, very close to the original Ferrari/Brembo caliper color. The type of paint is Standos Standoflet, with crystall clear coat on top.
    The heat resistant stickers can be bought from a lot of different places on ebay. I got it from "vehiclevinyls" but there are others...
     
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  3. johan6504

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    Tested to put on the rims with the new brake calipers today. Realized that the caliper sits about 1-2 mm too much outside to fit inside the original rims, inside of the spoke would shave off the new paint... Not a big deal for me as I have the Hille Engineering 11 mm spacer, but good to know if some one else would like to do this upgrade.

    Eric: Did you need extra space to fit your rims? Cant really find any info on that...
     
  4. eric355

    eric355 Formula 3
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    Looks good Johan!
    I also run spacers on the 4 wheels, so I never checked what was the exact distance between the wheel and the calliper. Visually I thought it was OK even without the spacers. Glad you mention the point ... I should have!
     
  5. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Man that looks awesome and factory! Great job. With more brake now you have to drive faster. You guys should make this "THE" 348/355 big brake conversion. The money you saved must be amazing too. Any ideas as to total cost for the conversion vs say a brembo big brake kit and the total # of hours you have in the conversion? I think this is one of the best conversions possible. I wonder if anyone makes any 2 piece hat/rotors to fit?
     
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  6. Organiser

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    Hi fbb,

    Girodisc make a 2 rotor for the 550.

    Regards,
    Phil.
     
  7. johan6504

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    I knew about the Girodisc option but I wanted to keep budget as low as possible. By using the Girodisk you could probably get rid of the extra weight from the bigger rotors and calipers...
     
  8. johan6504

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    Brake pads now in place, last measurements for bracket done! I made an order for a test-bracket so that I can make last adjustments if necessary. I will be able to make a batch of these if there is interest in it…
     
  9. Philippe

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    Johan,

    Is the Standox heat resistant?

    Thanks,
     
  10. johan6504

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    It is not a specifically heat resistant paint but has been used by others with very good result. I just have to wait and see how it works out. From other that has tested standox say it works better than most typical heat paints in spray cans like Duplicolor etc...
     
  11. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Eric, Johan- Great stuff and the result is really beautiful as well as functional. Your work makes the mad gleam in my eyes return every time I see that set of 599 brakes with yellow calipers in FerrariAds. Too expensive, though, and having the wrong size hubs does not help either.

    Taz
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  12. eric355

    eric355 Formula 3
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    Thanks Terry.
    Go, go, go ... make your own set up! Probably not so easy for a 575M though ;)
    BTW some weeks ago, I tried a friend's 575M ... what a car! So torquey ... not that difficult compared to the 355 ... I had a lot of fun feeling the rear end of the car wanting to go first but quieted by some electronics stuff. Great!
     
  13. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Eric- The 575M has almost as much torque (434 ft lbs vs 470) as the 7 liter Z06s I had, so getting the rear end to step out is pretty easy. Try ASR Off next time. The car is easy to catch when the rear end comes out because of the quick steering, only 2.2 turns lock to lock, so it is difficult to get into too much trouble unless it is wet. The front engine layout makes the rear end movements slower than a mid-engine car, too. Useful for old farts like me.

    Taz
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  14. Organiser

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    Eric / Johan,

    Do you have the Porsche part numbers for the calipers that you have used for this upgrade??

    Best regards,
    Phil.
     
  15. johan6504

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    Porsche caliper part number
    965 351 423 01 for the left
    965 351 424 01 for the right

    Brembo caliper part number
    20 4701 01 on the external half of the caliper
    20 4702 01 on the internal half of the caliper

    Brembo brake disc part number
    09.6802.20

    I will probably be able to sell you (or anyone else that might be interested) a custom made bracket. I am in the testing stage and will know in a couple of weeks...
     
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  16. Organiser

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    Johan,

    Thank you for the caliper numbers.

    Let me know about the bracket when you have finished them!!

    Regards,
    Phil.
     
  17. johan6504

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    #92 johan6504, Feb 9, 2010
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    Just got the first bracket prototype today :)

    It's not in final finish and a few details are not implemented. But I think it is looking pretty good so far! Need to do some minor adjustments and then it should be good to go to final production...
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  18. fatbillybob

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    johan,

    How do you know what aluminum to make the bracket out of and how thick to make it to take the load?
     
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    I looked at the dimensions of the bracket for the challenge car and consulted a company that makes brackets for Porsche. It is of 7075 aluminium and all the dimensions are way bigger than the original challenge part. In fact it looks a little bit clumsy in comparison ;-)
     
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    Johan, even your photos are well engineered :)

    the brackets look great, as do the refurbed calipers!
     
  22. johan6504

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    Thanks Neil :)
     
  23. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Eric, Johan- Great job by both of you and really professional results.

    Eric- If you get bored, your calipers would look really good painted Modena Yellow to match your wheel centers and go with your red paint. Of course you would then have to paint the rear ones, too, but maybe time for an upgrade back there.

    Incidentally, I am fitting MovIt 396mm ceramics to my car, so if anybody wants a set of 575M FHP brakes (Pagid 4-4 racing pads) with red calipers, including a spare set of pads with factory wires and discs, let me know. 575M brakes are the same as 550 brakes essentially, 330x32mm F and 310x28mm R. The calipers are 4 piston Brembos F&R with 38/46mm pistons F and 30/34mm rear.

    Taz
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  24. johan6504

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    Completed first test of the new brakes yesterday, and so far everything works like a charm :)

    Need to get the pads and rotors run in before I can really put them to the test...
     
  25. eric355

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    #100 eric355, Apr 12, 2010
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    Some weeks ago I bought a pair of brackets from Johan. I have finally installed and tested them on my car.
    Johan did a great job designing these brackets, they are nice and fit OK as expected. Johan made them universal, while mine were custom, and they can be installed on any car providing you reuse the original calipers shimming.
    So, if you want to take the plunge of this brake upgrade, Johan's brackets is the way to go. With his brackets, Porsche calipers and 550 discs it is a complete bolt-on upgrade, no mod on the car, no mod on the components except calipers painting.

    Though, as highlighted by Johan, wheels spacers are required to run this mod, the much bigger calipers will interfere with the wheels in their original position (2 to 3 mm). It was not a problem for both of us, but must be considered.
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