A manual Corvette C8 coming?

Mmmmm.... all those Ferrari's were engineered to have a manual box. Notice they don't have a 458 manual conversion. Its one thing to swap parts. Its another to solve the engineering problems of the packaging once its been designed around a DCT only solution.

 

Wasted effort on the C8. Way too $$ for the car. Even the strokers realize it would be slower and likely lower the value of the car.

 

I believe the 458 is complete.
The scud was never engineers for one, but yes from a mechanical perspective they could use 430 bits.

as I understand it the hard part is getting all the electronics to work and these days the motor and transmission are Intergrated powertrains run by various modules talking to each other .

to a manual Vette being slower, it might also be way more fun.

the rumor is that gm has patented an electronic stick with clutch. Ie you’ll move the lever and an electronic module will then complete the shift on the transmission. If they get that right it will look like and work like a stick but without the linkage and attendant packaging issues.
The synthetic stick to go with eps and brake by wire.

 

SO its a fake manual.

 

yes to go with fake steering feel and fake brake pedal. sone right the driver doesn’t know the difference. But so far none of the above have been done to that degree.
Although Kia and porche are getting the fake steering pretty close, even then there is no feedback just fake weighting.

they can probably do a click clack feel to the stick by having a mechanism the stick attaches to, Tthe clutch engagement will be real. You just won’t feel the synchros and gears as you do in an older f car. But then many moderns do t do that now already. It’s likely to be way better feeling than say a cable system.

 

Of the rumored variants the one that appeals is the na twin cam 650 hp flat plane crank version. Ie the street version of the c8r. That car for me would be paddles because those fast reving motors go great with with really closely packed gears which means paddles.

very few modern cars are engineered to work well with a. Stick. Some porches are and mustangs etc. but the new Aston stick is a bit of a dud due to execution.

 

Any info on this? I don't recall any updates after the initial thread.

 

What's the point? There's no clutch pedal. There's no connection between the stick and the gears. I don't get the appeal at all.

 

there is a clutch pedal. The stick instead of being attacked to a rod or cables is attached to a linkage that engages electric switches. The feel of the mechanism attached to the stock is gated and has just the right riflebolt feel.

it’s no different to electric power steering or brake by wire.

the differences to paddles is the methodology or selecting gears(h pattern) through a. Mechanism that feels tactile and mechanical. And yes there is a clutch pedal. Done right if you didn’t know how it worked you’d never know. Except maybe that tiny little something g that feels missing. But that’s true of all modern cars already.

 

Seems like it doesn't need to be that complicated ^

If Porsche can share most of their dual clutch PDK box with the manual variant why can't tremec?

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15120538/a-tale-of-two-porsche-seven-speeds-manual-and-pdk-tech-dept/

 

To me, the DCT is just like an on/ off switch. A manual is much more than that.

If you can't slip the clutch and work the gears properly and feel the actual gears moving into place -- its just a gimmick. Its like when they have autoboxes and they put a button for "manual mode". Its silly. The only thing you get around is telling the computer when you want to shift. Paddles do the same thing, only quicker.

 

except there would be a real clutch, that’s just a hydraulic line with a master and slave cylinder.

the issue with a. Stick on the c8 as I understood it is that to have low sills there is a huge structure down the middle of the car, and said structure means they can’t run a linkage to the rear transaxle.

the solution is to have the h hate stick mechanism send a signal to a co trolled on the transaxle which selects the gears. The mechanism the stock is attached to if we’ll engineered would feel like a bolt feels in a great rifle. In other words the clutch would works exactky at the clutch works on every manual car. The stick would be attached to a mechanism that would for all intents and purposes feel like the stick on day a gt3 and that mechanism would effect the change in gears electronically instead of through cables. Done right the feel would be exactly the same as a great stick, possibly better because feel can be idealy engineered.

psychologically it would be different but fu too sly and fell wise hard to tell..

it would probably feel far more real tha. EPS and for sure be far better than brake by wire, none of which anyone seems to be complaining g about.

yes there is an ersatz element to it, but we can say that about most moderns already and that’s certainly true about the Vette.

what an electronic stick adds back to the game is the feel land co trill of a stick and clutch.

 

I've read the same, sounds like complete BS. No way to run linkage through a tunnel and reinforce that area but you can remove the entire roof from the car?

Sounds even easier. Build the manual trans version without a removable top ala C6Z.

 

All clutches are hydraulic and have Been for decades. Last car sold with a cable clutch was an aircooled beetle.
The original paddle boxes were stick boxes with hydataukic actuators driven by paddles/computers instead of pedals and linkages. The principles on the new boxes are not vastly different except for dual clutches and shafts to ease and speed shifts.


a traditional foot actuated clutch can control the engagement. Or the pedal can be attached to a potentiometer that does the same . Slippage would still be controlled by the left foot. I guess there may be a question as to footwell room for the third pedal.

instead of paddles telling a computer to select the next gear up or down an h pattern stick attached to a great feeling mechanism does. Instead of a computer engaging the clutch a left foot pedal does, rate of engagement is dependent on the foot movement instead of a single rapid command .

the whole electronic stick system is naturally slower and less Perfectly matched than a cde driven one, but the entertainment for the driver may be far greater. Mechanicaly a paddle and shift by wire system may not need to be hugely different. It’s really a different set of input controls(stick mechanism, with inbuilt feel) and foot controlled and modulated clutch as opposed to code cotrolled and modulated. Either way the inputs can go through a computer. In one the computer takes its selections and modulations from the stock and drivers foot and in the other the sections are based on a paddle I put and clutch modulation is a function of code.

 

youre bumping up at some of the major compromise of this car. Namely to have low sills (in a me car) for old lardasses they had to put massive structure down the center. That probably added weight but also gave us this big wide center tunnel, even more so because they then had a removable roof.

with a bolted ion roof and still keeping the center tunnel we may see a really stiff car.

whther that massive center tunnel can take a linkage, agreed it probably can. It’s also true though that just a s eps is way easier for a manufacturer than hydraulic steering so a electronic stick shift would be easier than a linkage. It’s also one of the bits that can probably be really easily electronically and mechanically fakes to feel
Like a regular stick

 

Everyone is different and likes different things. The above reasons are why I don't own any new cars. I don't see how driving a completely modern car is any different than playing on a PS4 except the PS4 costs a lot less and dosen't take up a spot in the garage.

 

I've been in a C8, that would be a VERY tight pedal box with a 3rd pedal.

 

everything on a modern is synthesized, even the suspension and the way the sound is filtered. Maybe a gt350 and challenger are exceptions along with Miata. Even then it’s not quite the same.

 

YOU need to drive an Alfa 4c. NOTHING is synthesized or filtered. It doesn't even have a muffler.

 

Agreed on the 4c
That’s why I have two lotus.
Even a cayman feels heavy and isolated to me.