As mentioned previously, GPF is the least of our concerns. It’s the EU noise regulations that will mark the end of supercars as we know them. GPF will be unnoticeable when the silencers are limiting exhaust volume to that of an everyday sedan, which, by the way, must be tested in the car’s loudest setting under full load. I think we’ll get lucky and the VS will squeeze in before these go into affect or Ferrari will get a clue remove the EU silencers for non-EU cars. But after the final run 812 VS, I’m not too optimistic...
A few pages back on this thread there were some rumors that the VS might be USA or North America only (which would allow skipping the GPF). Any truth to those rumors?
I’m wondering if you know whether the VS will remain na or whether it will come with some form of assistance /e- turbo... Typically the VS tends to showcase the technology used on the replacement model and there have been lots of speculation of the future becoming hybrid which would suggest the VS could have some form of electric/turbo/hybrid assistance.
We are now living in the time of the very best supercars. These years will be known for years to come as the golden age, it's the absolute pinnacle of what the combustion engine can do and the fun to be had in a car. Once we go hybrid or full electrification the fun times will be over, that is why the manufacturers are milking everything they can out of the last cars. Once everything is electric the only difference will be the badge and the styling
If the black 812 is actually a test version for the VS then at least it shows it's probably not a hybrid as there are no "electric" warning signs on the doors as we've seen on other hybrid mules.
The last time they had a string in the door panel was the F40, and if the 812VS is anything like it, that's good enough for me
https://www.aecc.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2017-AECC-technical-summary-on-GPF-final.pdf Marcel Massini
the first picture detail is a decoy, the second picture detail hides a special feature of this car. ciao
Very tempting to just agree. However, when they strangled cars in the early 70s in the name of efficiency and emissions we lost for a long time really overwhelming cars. It was said sports cars were going extinct. Looking back, did they? We might be surprised with what they can conjure. In the mean time we should enjoy what we have.
If this comes in its game over https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/mandatory-speed-limiters/#:~:text=New%20rules%20provisionally%20agreed%20by,sold%20in%20Europe%20from%202022.&text=After%20being%20approved%20by%20the,cars%20within%20just%20three%20years.
I get what you’re saying but I think this time is much different than back in the 70’s. Back then, there was a real purpose to the regulations and the end goal was different. Cats were introduced for a legitimate reason in that we had serious air quality problems in major metro areas. The goal of those regulations was not to end internal combustion engines, but rather to make them cleaner and more sustainable. This is what the GPF is attempting to do as well and that is why I don’t have as much of an issue with it. It is seemly being introduced for a legitimate purpose. As far as how effective it will be and whether it will actually make an impact is up for debate, but the intention is seemingly legitimate. Obviously, I wish we didn’t have them, but that’s not up to me. When we get to the noise regulations, this is where I have serious reason for concern. At first, it may seem that these noise regulations are entirely pointless. In effect, they are. There is no good argument as to how this will benefit the environment or society at large. There are plenty of things that people may deem “annoying” but that doesn’t mean they must be illegal. At the very least, that logic doesn’t typically apply to the free world. I could go on and on with different analogies, but no need for that here. However, when you dig a bit deeper, it become very clear what the purpose of these new noise regulations are. This is deeply embedded in a political agenda to completely eradicate the internal combustion engine as a whole. The thought process is, if they can remove everything that people ever liked about ICE in the first place, there will be no reason to continue producing them at all. If you get rid of all the pros and all that remains are the cons, no one will want a ICE car and manufacturers will simply stop making them in favor of their electric counter parts. Therein lies the major difference between the regulations of the 70’s versus the regulations of today. In the 70’s, the goal was the sustainability of ICE. Today, the goal is exactly the opposite.
There are numerous studies that associate noise levels with various health conditions. That said, they could just limit noise within residential areas, but we all know that a few idiots would bypass those restrictions.
I was with you until the end and the reason for the regulations. I can tell you there many people who wanted to kill off cars back then also. My main point is, we are often limited by our inability to imagine just what is around the next corner. We should consider that it could be bad; but it could also be not so bad, or it might actually be surprisingly good.
Agreed. There are caveats to all arguments and I hear your point. No reason to get ahead of ourselves with a glass half empty attitude or we’ll get too caught up complaining and never spend any time enjoying. I will insist; however, that the noise regulations were passed primarily for the secondary purpose I detailed above. You can send me all the links to studies about this or that and how it causes cancer or mental disorders or [insert bad thing here], but frankly, I could care less. They won’t admit it and they will always come up with some facade, just as they always do, but those laws weren’t passed because they’re afraid someone ears will get hurt by a loud car. There’s always an underlying motive.
I don't agree, VS versions never showcased the next car. They are either road going versions of the track only version (Challenge stradale, 599 GTO) or souped up versions with a lot more power and different behavior (Tdf, pista) If I follow your logic the 458 speciale would have had a V8TT engine and the tdf a 6.5 V12 I think it's nearly impossible for the 812 VS to be electrically assisted or turbocharged, wich means re-engineer the whole car, and that will be the 812 replacement , not the VS VS cars always retain the basic hardware of the regular version, I mean the bodyshell and the basic engine block.
I'm misunderstanding here. For example, you saying the F12Tdf is the souped up high horsepower version or the 812 that followed it is? Or are you saying the F12TdF is the high horsepower version of the the F12B?