Or... twenty years from now this nitpicking about GPF will be completely discarded. People tend to not care so much today about testarossa with or without catalytic converter, nor about BB 512 with carburettors or fuel injection; same for 308 / 328, the only ones commanding a real premium being the rare "vetroresina" 308 while carburettors, injection, QV only have marginal impact. Apart from that, the car I own or will own (whatever it is / will be) will see its value skyrocket in the future, because that's the only valid pattern in many threads (458 / Speciale / Pista / F12 / whatever)
I'd guess those in better condition - other factors being more anecdotal. This being said, I did not sell nor buy an F40 recently (or ever)
You saying that but RHD testarossas are now advertised at a higher price than some F12’s despite having been produced in the order of 10,000 so twice as many as the number of f12 and more than twice the number of 812...
For regular LHD examples it's definitely not the case - even 512 TR are typically (and by some margin) less expensive than F12.
In the UK low mileage testarossas are now advertised very close to similar mileage F12 and 512 are advertised higher, 10/15% more expensive so the ratio of today’s price to the initial MSRP is much higher for both the testarossa and the 512 compared to the F12. That’s how I look at it.
Finally 512M and 512BB are advertised at much higher than the F12 the Bb being advertised higher than a lot of 812SF So will the F12/812 being possibly the last of an era of cars be worth more in 20 years when the new generation is all electric / hybrid ? Quite possibly. Look at the 458 speciale being the last na v8 here in the uk most of them are advertised well above msrp and not too far from pistas so those things such as the kast of an era of good sounding already seem to matter for some people and i think will matter more in the future when Ferrari aren’t making them anymore. Back to the topic would i pick an 812 with or without gpf? Sorry but without because I’m one of those for which the sound of a pure na v12 is a crucial part of the experience and enjoyment of the car and that’s always been part of Ferrari’s history and reason for their desirability
Yes i checked my car cover seeing the same. So it sounds like we are enjoying a modified ( improved) tdf!
Thanks Andrew I agree, the old world rules seem to not apply anymore... I still hope the 812 Vs will remain a N/A, unassisted V12. there are still good chances IMO
Sorry but the comment on 512 is incorrect. 512BB Carburettor cars fetch materially higher prices than 512BBi. Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat
Back to the VS power train, let’s remember Ferrari are in F1 and have now been racing the new generation F1 engines, V6 Hybrid, instant spin up electric turbo engines for almost 8 years, this technology is now mastered developing 1,000hp from 1.6L. More interestingly these cars run at 57% efficiency as opposed to some of the most efficient, standard road cars at only 36%. (Yep, like that or not you are only getting the benefit of 1/3 of the fuel you stick in). Ferrari haven’t made any significant transfers of F1 technology for some time, so maybe the VS is that platform and time, in addition nearly all VS cars showcase the next generation cars technology...the Speciale has most of the new running gear for the 488, the F12 tdf to 812 similar, (well documented in this thread) and so on... it stands to good reason the VS will be the next generation technology in a aggressive aero, lightweight V12, 812. The 812 platform and layout is almost perfect to transfer the hybrid technology. Ferrari experimented with this with a 599 Green Hybrid car. That car on the video definitely has a turbo, definitely, but it sounds quite aggressive, similar to the current F1 cars (could even be the F1 engine in there), the turbos in a F1 car use some of the electric form the integrated KERS system to spin up the turbo, instantly and beyond 100,000 rpm, NO turbo lag, 0%, absolutely non, the electric power on the turbo is way quicker than the speed the engine can spin, and if your going to build a track version of the 812 you would hope most would take it to the track, where lots of the battery can be recharged through heavy brakes and integrated KERS turbo every 20s or so, same as the F1 machines. Makes perfect sense to transfer some of that F1 technology in smaller tuned down package. This package could easily produce a powertrain of anything upto 1,200hp + from a V12 engine no bigger than 4.5 litres, could have qualifying modes, efficiency modes that would easily pass EU regs. The weight saving from shrinking the engine would offset some of the additional battery / and motors weight, along with lots of carbon etc. (GPF genuinely who cares, with this technology they probably don’t need GPF, slapping a GPF on a car is like taking aspirin to solve a man with a headache banging his head against the wall). Honestly if we think what F1 looks like today, and what the next generation 812 will be, that probably has more answers to what the next VS will be. Our NA V12’s, and I Image Unavailable, Please Login have an F12 and Lusso with GTS on order - I love the NA V12, but it may look very old ancient technology very soon against all marques not just the next Ferrari. Ferrari and Mercedes have invested heavily in the tech through F1, at some point it has to transfer, in an ever demanding green world. I would personally love a car with that capability, having went to the Belgium GP last year the noise of those Machines is incredible...I have 100% no problems with the sound of those, would be awesome in a V12 package and not a V6 package.... Image Unavailable, Please Login Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
That’s very interesting and kind of my intuition which was that the 812 replacement would most likely be v12 hybrid with potentially Smaller displacement and likely be sitting in the range above the sf90 If that’s the case looking at the price of the sf90 what do you think that car is likely going to cost?
