812 Replacement Rumors

This thread is a great idea, and it's the good moment to start it


One thing

Vocabulary is very important to not get confused

I urge members to use the following

N/A For no forced induction

Unassisted for no electric hybridation

I suggest "Pure V12" for not forced induction and no hybrid

 

Well this is great news and really if you think about it ,not a big surprise. Several years ago I had read one of the big execs saying that they would build the V12 for as long as they possible could. He cited the fact that the V12 was Ferrari ,it was the engine of choice for Enzo when he founded the company and he said we feel it is up to us to continue in that tradition.

 

Definitely would love to see the V12 (naturally aspirated and unassisted) continue for as long as possible.

Whatever Ferrari puts such an engine in, I’m in.

 

What's the latest on European regulations--will they allow for a V12 or is this still up in the air? Would Ferrari make a car that is not sold in Europe?

 

https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12313-Development-of-Euro-7-emission-standards-for-cars-vans-lorries-and-buses

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No chance in hell the 812 replacement will have a normally aspirated large capacity V12. Fast coming legislation will force Ferrari to adopt a much smaller V12 with some form of hybrid and/or turbo assist.

 

I would even be happy with a small V12 twin turbo engine. No electric please (unless the lightweight technology is ready).

 

Considering the popularity of the pista, it makes sense

I just fear a TT V12 won't be different enough from the TT V8

 

I think there is a lot of speculation going on around what the next car will be. It would be great if they continued the tradition of an pure NA V12 but everything seems stacked against them. The V6 Ferrari is here with a similar amount of hp to an 812. I just don't see them having a V12 car in the normal lineup with all of the upcoming emissions regulations.

 

Aventador has done tremendously well with the V12 mounted rear mid - Ferrari need the same setup in the 812 replacement areal successor to 51TR

 

For electric, there will never ever be "lightweight" battery technology, ever...you don't get something for nothing, to chemically store energy is going to require chemicals and they are heavy, no way around that.

Please, no turbos, just engine

 

Of course, the lightest battery is the one that’s not in the car.

I, too, prefer a V12 with no supercharging of any kind or power assist from additional power plant. It’s always exciting to see how things develop. However it evolves, I plan on putting as many fun miles as I can on my 812SF.

 

As I’ve stated before I would vote with my wallet for a rear mid V12- prefer the linearity of NA unassisted but if regs requires downsizing the power plant I could live with a 10K rpm spinner. These types of engines tend to have low torque numbers at lower revs so some light electric assist to level the torque curve would be welcome. A super capacitor would be lighter than batteries. As for turbo V12- loved it on my AMGSL65 but the sound was mediocre and fitting for that car but unacceptable for a Ferrari(see F8- blistering performance but sounds like an appliance) If anyone could make a great sounding linear turbocharged V12 it would be Ferrari- so let’s hope they can do it.
Unfortunately their recent foray into turbocharging and assisted engines leads me to believe they will use nuclear level power to try and overcome our complaints about the sound. Good luck with that.


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Of course, but 2+ years is a very long time, much can change that will affect the outcome.

 

V12 turbo not makes sense
it will sounds as bad as V8 turbo
it will be bigger and heavier than V8
V12 must be NA or there should be no V12 at all

 

Now with 2 mid-engined hybrid cars in the lineup, a mid-engined turbo V8, and an SUV, I can't help but think that the front engine V8 series is going to be the new Ferrari GT car. Hopefully, I'm wrong...

 

V-12 may have to be electric assist to meet Euro 7
I highly doubt they can accomplish emissions without it

 

Euro7 rules (due for release in November) could have such restrictive NOX/other trace element emissions requirements as to render all ICE entirely moot...including all hybrids

 

Correct.
Get used to it.
It's over. Finito.

Marcel Massini

 

If Euro7 effectively torpedos the ICE, would Ferrari make cars for America's/Asia/Middle East? I would guess that there are enough cars to be sold outside of Europe that this would make sense to the company

 

Imagine the costs to develop and build two totally different vehicles. This won't happen, I am sure.

Marcel Massini

 

Turbo's muffle the sound and create lag Whereas electric assist cancels lag and you keep the sound if the ICE part is NA

 

Why is Ferrari developing new generations of engines if new regulatory restrictions will ban them in the very short term?