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60 – 100 Mph

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  1. BusDriver

    BusDriver Formula Junior

    Mar 30, 2004
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    Northeast USA
    60 – 100 Mph...

    After having done 5,000 miles in my Maserati Coupe and 200+ laps this summer, I have been just amazed at the car’s acceleration. At Lime Rock, I was amazed to discover that the Maserati has the measure of a Ferrari 355 in acceleration, and was able to stay in the draft of a 360 Modena and even a 911 Turbo down the front straight. Not bad for a luxury 4 seater!

    Even on Sunday drives, I just relish the car’s noise and acceleration, and its sheer overtaking power.

    That got me thinking...surely there has to be a better measure of a car’s acceleration than a standing start 0-60 mph, or even a standing start quarter mile. Most of my full throttle acceleration is really between 40 – 120 mph, whether on the track, or when overtaking on a country road.

    Road and Track magazine publishes 0-60 mph and 0-100 mph figures in the back of the magazine, and both times are obtained from the same run, and in the back of every issue. So one can obtain 60-100mph times by simple subtraction!

    Here are 60-100 mph times for a selection of sports/sporty cars

    Acura NSX 7.0
    Aston Martin Vanquish 6.1
    Audi RS6 6.7
    BMW M3 SMG 7.0
    BMW M5 6.5
    BMW 645Ci 7.5
    Chevrolet Corvette C5 6.6
    Chevrolet Corvette Z06 5.2
    Dodge Viper SRT-10 4.8
    Ferrari 360 Spider 6.2
    Ford Mustang Mach 1 7.0
    Ford Mustang SVT Cobra 6.4
    Lamborghini Gallardo 5.1
    Lamborghini Murcielago 5.1
    Maserati Coupe Cambiocorsa 6.4
    Mercedes CLK55 AMG 7.1
    Mercedes E55 AMG 5.2
    Porsche Boxster S 8.7
    Porsche 911 Carrera 7.3
    Porsche 911 Turbo 5.2



    What do you guys think?
    Is 60-100 mph a good measure of how *you* use your car’s acceleration? Comments?

    - Jon

    P.S.: Does anyone have back issues of R&T to dig out the 60-100mph time for older Ferraris?
     
  2. Ferrari0324

    Ferrari0324 F1 Rookie

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    Sorry to break this to ya, but those numbers are at a minimum one second off of reality for almost every car. A Viper in 4.8, Z06 5.2, Gallardo 5.1. Wow, def. wrong numbers.
    I don't know of any specific numbers or tests for cars doin 60-120, but the reason you get hit by it so hard is b/c Ferrari's are small displacement high revving motors as in your Maserati. It would make for a good test though, I think the reason they don't test that though is b/c you're not allowed to hit 100 on the streets, most ppl will never test that acceleration, maybe up to 80/85, but rarely 100.

    Wow I just realized in these numbers, the Murcielago is slower than the Viper, as much as I hate to admit it, the Murcielago is def. faster than the Viper 0-60 at least. Did you seriously get these numbers from Road and Track?
     
  3. Jimi900

    Jimi900 Formula Junior

    Jul 8, 2004
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    I have the last 12 years of Road and Track, Car and Driver, Motor Tread, Automblie, and a couple of others. If you have any questions just ask and give me a couple of days and I will find it out for you..
     
  4. darth550

    darth550 Six Time F1 World Champ
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    #s aside...That was a great question and my answer is yes!!!:D

    DL
     
  5. Admiral Thrawn

    Admiral Thrawn F1 Rookie

    Jul 2, 2003
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    In a city the most you could "test" the performance relatively safely on a quieter public road would be to around 80mph.

    After a brake disc change, in order to get the new ones worn in and up to temps quickly, I find a nice quiet road through the parklands, pull over to the side until there's a large break in the traffic, then gun it up to about 80mph, brake fairly heavily down to around 25mph, accelerate again, brake, accelerate, etc until the brakes bites nicely. Wind the window down and there's a nice toasty smell afterwards. :)
     
  6. netviper

    netviper Formula Junior

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    R&T has the always has the worst times for the NSX. They have no idea how to drive that car.

    The z06 is fast as hell! Wow! How fast is the C6?
     
  7. Playboy V12

    Playboy V12 Karting

    Aug 23, 2004
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    60-100 mph in a well tuned carbed 308 will make up for its "obsolete performance"

    :)
     
  8. BusDriver

    BusDriver Formula Junior

    Mar 30, 2004
    416
    Northeast USA
    Thanks for the kind offer!

    Lets keep Road & Track as the source for 60-100 mph times, for consistency, and because they have a very well documented testing procedure.

    If you have time, would you calculate 60-100 mph times from Road & Track for 80s and 90s Ferraris and Porsches? Pick some cars that would be of interest to other FChat members.

    Thanks again!

    - Jon
     
  9. BusDriver

    BusDriver Formula Junior

    Mar 30, 2004
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    Absolutely! If there were a "hair raising noise" measurement, a carbed 308 would be at the top!

    - Jon
     
  10. L8Braker

    L8Braker Formula 3

    Nov 10, 2003
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    I agree that is a better acceleration # than 0-60 or even 0-100. I also like in most euro magazines how they give times around the ring and hockenheim.
     
  11. dwhite

    dwhite F1 Rookie

    I thought R&T use to do 50 - 70 test for passing, but it was a top gear test.
     
  12. Ferrari0324

    Ferrari0324 F1 Rookie

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    I agree it would be a better testing procedure but it doesn't consider the reality that most people never drive that fast. Doesn't anyone else find it strange that their 0-60 times are off?
     
  13. BusDriver

    BusDriver Formula Junior

    Mar 30, 2004
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    Not top gear. This is maximum acceleration using the optimum gear/gears from 60-100 mph.

    - Jon
     
  14. dwhite

    dwhite F1 Rookie

    Yeah sorry reread the original post and made my edit, but you were too fast for me :)
     
  15. ScreaminRevs

    ScreaminRevs Formula Junior

    Apr 4, 2004
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    Autoweek and C&D do the top gear 30 to 50 and 50 to 70 I believe. I don't see how 30 to 50 has any relevance at all. Who in the hell is in 5th or 6th at 30 mph?! Testing of high performance cars should, at minimum, involve acceleration #s through 150 mph. I'd really like to see up to 200 for the big guns. Let's start a letter-writing campaign boys; who's with me?
     
  16. raygr

    raygr Karting

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    What sounds wrong with these numbers? They seem plausible to me for 60-100mph. -Ray
     
  17. DodgeViper01

    DodgeViper01 F1 Veteran

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    I tend to agree. On another note, the Viper dominates :D.
     
  18. raygr

    raygr Karting

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    Vipers are torque Monsters!
     
  19. BusDriver

    BusDriver Formula Junior

    Mar 30, 2004
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    The latest Road & Track has a few more 60-100 mph times...

    Maserati Quattroporte 7.7
    Chevrolet Corvette C6 5.6
    Porsche 911 (997) Carrera S 6.3

    Interesting that the 911 Carrera S (355hp, 3360lbs) has almost identical acceleration to the Maserati Coupe (390hp, 3790 lbs).

    - Jon
     
  20. Gary(SF)

    Gary(SF) F1 Rookie

    Oct 13, 2003
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    The R&T numbers for the 360 Modena are 5.9 sec. In contrast, Autocar was 4.6, just another data point.

    >>A super run by Autocar
    Some car makers are very cautious in supplying cars to journalists for test. To newspaper or independent journalists, it does not matter which car to be chosen. However, to some influential magazines, they must make sure to choose a well conditioned, well run-in sample in order to record a set of headline-topping performance figures. Among all magazines, I believe Germany’s Auto, Motor und Sport are the most influential to the whole Europe mainland while British magazine Autocar rules the world of English motor writing. What about R&T or C&D ? Don’t their staffs also read Autocar for the latest development in Europe ?
    So it is not very surprising to see Autocar’s test result better than others, especially is it performed the test 4 months after the launch of 360 Modena, hence allowing a good run-in probably in the hands of Ferrari’s test drivers.

    However, seeing the figures recorded can’t help astonishing how good this car was. Although 0-60mph of 4.2 sec is just marginally faster than the 4.3 sec recorded by Road & Track, the 8.8 sec to 100mph is really amazing, which versus R&T’s 10.2 sec<<

    Gary
     
  21. Bandit

    Bandit Formula Junior

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    R&T May 1986

    1986 328 GTS - 9.9 seconds

    1983 308 GTS - 11.3 seconds
     
  22. lamborghinikid

    lamborghinikid Karting

    Oct 22, 2004
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    "60-100 mph in a well tuned carbed 308 will make up for its "obsolete performance" "

    No it wouldn't but driving it off stone Mt. would ! LOL !
     
  23. warren0420

    warren0420 Karting

    Dec 12, 2003
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    the name of the magazine IS Road & TRACK. 60-120mph figures would be great, considering many of the cars that they test are purchased and used primarily for track use (Challenge Stradale, anyone?) The normally also post a rather unusable top speed figure in the actualy articles on the cars.
     
  24. speedracer5

    speedracer5 Karting

    Oct 15, 2004
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    You cannot just subtract the piece of time you want to get an accurate 60-100 time. Also doing this test is very easy. Anyone can do this on an on-ramp to a highway. 100mph comes up quickly in a sports car.

    Autocar mag is best in testing cars in in-gear acceleration times. Sports cars have different maximun speed in their gears. Look at some of the gear ratios. Example the Gallardo has tall gears. I can dig up Autocar numbers if you want?
     
  25. Aircon

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