6 Speed Conversion

The parts are impossible to find. And some are no longer available through Ferrari

 

Do it!

 

Just buy a 6-speed manual, it will probably be cheaper and unlike the hack/conversion will retain and appreciate in value.

 

Think its $30k from the San Antonio guys. Not cheap but actually not that bad if you consider that a clutch / flywheel job will run you $8k which would be fresh post conversion. So $22k net if its clutch time anyway.

If you have a clean 430 and think its a keeper I say go for it. I’d just consider it a mid life refresh, knock out any other maintenance items while you are in there and when you get it back its kind of like a new car.

 

Im not sure anyone would say its a hack. This conversion can only be done with oem parts. And also 30k to convert is ridiculous. I know, ive done it 2 years ago to my car that i drive almost everyday. Heck Id do it for 10k but im to busy. Converting is cut and dry. Everything is bolt up as the car was built to be a manual or F1

 

Ferrari factory is making it VERY difficult (impossible) to obtain the parts. Don’t ask me how I know.

 

I get emails constantly from people looking for parts and to convert. It's not going to happen unless you find a wrecked car.

 

Is this specific to 6-speed conversion or is Ferrari just not interested in supporting the older stuff?

Part of the reason porsche has such a loyal following (I am one of them) is that all the old stuff can be bought and enjoyed without much hassle when stuff needs to be replaced. Keeps the nostalgia alive. Surprised if Ferrari wouldn't want to do the same.

 

There are some parts that will have to be made. Includes the clutch pedal and some parts on the shift assembly. They simply aren't any on the market anywhere on earth. None. Looked into it to have a spare kit.. If you take that route you'll have to have some parts made.

 

There has got to be a business opportunity for anyone with a machine shop to make up some of the parts. Plenty of us want to do the conversion, very few of us are writing off stick 360/430's to be parts donors.

 

Pretty sure the guys doing the swaps have scanned the parts for reproduction. So no worries on supply.

I don’t know if the repro’s are cast or machined al.

 

Engineer here with access to full machine shop (CNC, lathes, ect) I have a F430 F1 and would be interested in a converting project, if only for the fun of doing it. I don't have any issues with the F1 system, enjoy it thoroughly in my daily driver. Anyone want to develop a parts list together, try to source parts, and parts not purchasable, I can machine?

 

I just received a list of parts needed. I can forward.

I'm interested in this as well.

Steve

 

Please send, I'll start looking around for sources for the parts and share results, if you know of any parts that are not available to purchase, let me know and I'll start looking into fabricating them. I do have access to metal additive manufacturing but I rather avoid that route if possible because it is costly in both time and money. I'm hoping a CNC machine is all we'll need.

 

A little of both. Ferrari hates the idea of people modifying the cars and goes out of the way to prevent it. Also they really have little interest in supporting older cars

 

Here's another observation. We are already seeing evidence of the F430 is coming down in price. As the price comes down on these cars and it will, it would not be cost effective to make these parts from scratch. It would cost a ton a money. There are a lot of parts. About 20 or more just in the shifter. I can't see putting 25-30 thousand dollars into converting a car that's worth a hundred grand. Now if it could be done for half of that lets say 15k Then that's a different story

 

The parts that cross over to other models may be more worth while. Like those that may be applicable to 360/430/575. Not sure what that might be. I see this as more in demand as time goes by price depending. It could help support prices too if it is considered a viable alternative. The older 360 and 430 F1 cars get the more those systems will need expensive repairs to actuators or valve assemblies.

 

I believe that's true also. The F1 cars will eventually have more failures as they age. However I still don't think anybody's going to pay $25,000 or $30,000 to convert. It doesn't cost nearly that much to fix a f1 system. As far as crossovers go the F430 needs a few extra parts to convert that the other cars don't have.

 

Potential clients will need to be do it yourselfers. Paying to have it done will not be worthwhile.

The fact that so few have been done shows how few were willing to pay even when prices were higher and parts more available.

 

I agree. Exactly my point. Ill add that few have been done because parts are hard to get.

 

If you have access to a gated car the critical bits can be measured and duplicated.

a 3 pedal swap kit would sell

I’m thinking of picking up a beater auction 360 f1 car for a track rat minimalist singer inspired build — lighter than a cs w 3 pedals

coil overs
Bbk
Recaros
Zero extra sound deadening or interior trim
Street legal stripped hpde stick car
Hoping some cost can be offset by selling interior.

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Everything mentioned above about mfg the 3 pedal parts has been done.

 

Also FYI- there is a gated 360 spyder for sale at
Auto Gallery Chicago
For 69
32k miles

no affiliation

if you wanted to buy a specimen for rd purposes.

then sell it.

Some examples of these cars are getting cheap.

 

Id do it while you still can. 28K is a drop in the bucket considering the long term costs you're going to have with the F1. How fun will it be when Ferrari stops making the parts for the F1 system since its obsolete. As the other say, with the discontinuation of parts soon the conversion will also be NLA. That's my 0.02. This only makes sense if you plan on keeping the car for a while. 360 manuals are still reasonably priced but a F430 stick is a HUGE premium, a lot more than 28k... only difference is your VIN will say its an F1 car...