Tx for kind note - it was built early 2005 dont have AN on me but did check. My dealer checked and all OF FHP still available. Brakes really are OK ? Your car sounds fab, congrats.
Scraggy, I think you have bought a bargain. Well done. I own a 575 manual with FHP. It's an amazing car. Timeless.
Enjoy the car but as you suggest FHP waste of time in UK - roads too bad ! Best upgrade is just the fhp steering ecu 175891 - plug and play for a few hundred quid
Congratulations Scraggy. Looks like a 100 per cent beautiful (and rare) car. And at the price, very well bought. Fantastic.
You are all very kind, prices moving so fast at the moment but seems well priced. Its a keeper so price not important. One owner and all Stratstone history valuable.
Scraggy, congrats for your nice car, enjoy it a lot! Happy, that you'll keep the car. It's worth it.... beside the value aspect........ Saluti, Jürgen
congratulations- looked in lovely condition when i saw it on wednesday..! amazing though that it is 100k more than i recently paid for a black 550...
P.S. Scraggy, I just spotted that the below linked ex-Swiss F1 HGTC car for sale at 2B Consulting Automotive Limited in Cheshire is chassis number 141262 and the listing indicates that it comes with a CoC dated 07/02/2005 (e.g. when it left Ferrari S.p.A.) 2B Consulting Automotive :: 2005 Ferrari 575M HGTC - LHD So it would appear that there were at least three Rosso 575M F1s shipped from the factory to Switzerland in Feb 2005 and all three would appear to have been registered in Switzerland in April 2005. 141262 F1 HGTC Rosso, Nero buckets and cage (as linked above) 141263 F1 FHP Rosso, Cuoio Daytonas (my car, A.N. 58591) 141264 F1 FHP Rosso, Charcoal buckets no cage. (I viewed this car for sale in Switzerland before I bought mine! Very nice but it had 58k kms.) Would have been quite a sight if they were all on the same transporter! Your car is still in the running for one of the latest manual cars produced.
The red seat belts are aftermarket and presumably detachable. I really like this configuration as you have the inertia reel belts for touring and then you can fit the belts and use them if/when the right opportunity arises. P.S. 2B are showing the love for Rosso Maranello these days... It would appear that they have already sold a couple so far this year (including a £170k WSR which many thought was an incredible price) and they would appear to have another highly spec'd low miles 2003 575M due in.... P
their base is a few miles from my house and they attend local meets so i know them quite well good guys to deal with and real enthusiasts.
Just picked up the manual 575M referred to above. Am lucky enough to have a 458 Speciale Aperta and to have owned 3 599s inclduing HGTE. This 575 is magnificent, body control great even without FHP, lovely nick and interior like a proper Ferrari V12 : loads of leather, simple controls, round vents, simple steering wheel. I can see why these are finding long term homes and appreciating. Was going to fit FHP not so sure now>
Mark, i have a red/beige HGTC F1, i love .... on blue and grey is more elegant but I like this red body that is a good design forever.... Image Unavailable, Please Login
Looks like one of the best manual 575s around. Congratulations again and look forward to hearing your further thoughts on the car. And whether you decide to retro fit FHP.
For my 10 pence worth, after consulatation with Taz and others I think I will start, and probably stop, with uprading the shock ECU on my 03 6 speed car. Its about £850 for the unit and apparently easy to fit. From research so far I believe that should do it for most road use and if you are concerned with "track" like handling you need to look at leapfrogging FHP and going to HGTC equivalent. I'll report on this when done and subsequent mods if I feel them necessary, sorry I dont have the part number to hand but am travelling and in the process of buying a 456 M GT
Same on the red by the way, followed a red 575M on CA1 south of Carmel yesterday. Looked great to me !
My fear is that the market is obsessed with FHP and I am nervous the factory will run out of kit. On a 2005 car it's pretty well resolved after big ECU change not sure is needed ? Advice very welcome.
Happy, that in general 550' s are not in discussions, according to my expirience, the set up on the cars are quiet acceptable and sportive at least for german highways. Speeds above 250 km/h are reached, but seldomly, on a daily base (at least here in germany....). ....so I leave the discussion to people from countries where there is more expirience at such speeds. Saluti, Jürgen
I saw a post on here recently talking about the record price paid for a 'zero miles' Barchetta. One poster commented that the subject car 'didn't even have FHP' to which another commented that the other poster clearly didn't understand the collectors' car market as it should be apparent that a FHP car should be more desirable, ergo more valuable, even if there was zero chance that a zero miles car would ever actually be driven! Both posters were of course correct. On this forum, I would like to think that we have done our bit to dispel the myth that FHP is 'essential' on the 575M. The evidence would appear to indicate that early cars had a shock absorber ECU that was optimised for certain road conditions which may not have suited all road conditions. Quel surprise! The criticism levied on Ferrari at that time led them to revise the settings of the default shock absorber ECU relatively early in production and the end result was a more overtly sporty set up. These later shock absorber ECUs are a plug and play upgrade and a number of the early cars would have had this done at the dealer back in the day if a complaint had been made (although it was not a factory recall per se). It is worth remembering that the FHP kit does not include any revision to the shock absorber ECU. The FHP kit starts with a steering ECU (less assistance) and includes stiffer shorter springs and a stiffer rear anti roll bar (all tied down with revised geometry) and the original brakes are beefed up with harder brake pads. Later on, the factory conceded that it was worth reintroducing a steering column mounted steering angle position sensor (as per the 550). This upgrade was not deemed to be practical on older models as the wiring loom required modification. The additional data feed from the steering angle position sensor was available to a (further revision of) the suspension ECU and therefore, the consensus on here would appear to be that an early 575M that an owner considers to be a bit soft/floaty could be tightened up with the appropriate shock absorber ECU and that any late model car should already be good to go in either base, FHP or HGTC specification (according to taste). In your case, you would appear to have one of the few late model manual cars. My view is that the majority of manual 575Ms were built in 2002/2003 with my thinking being that early customers were sceptical of the expensive F1 system but by 2004/2005 more and more customers (many of whom would have been trading up from 550's) would have been seduced by functionality of the improved F1 shift given their intended use which, let's be honest, would have included a daily inner city commute! My own 2005 car has FHP and I will admit that this was attractive to me but to be frank, I do find it a bit harsh at times and I would like to try an equivalent car without it. Of course, I'm sure that I will appreciate the FHP set up at times but what is clear is that pressing the Sport button on these cars doesn't really 'transform' the ride/handling. What it does is loosen the ASR system (it actually suppresses it when cornering) and in terms of the suspension, all it does it alter the the damping response (but what you actually feel are the springs which of course remain unchanged). The 'fixation' with FHP (in the UK in particular) has led to the supply of FHP springs and rear anti-roll bars being snapped up and although manufacturers such as Ferrari are supposedly obliged to keep parts in stock for 10 years post production, the practical reality is that once their shelves have been emptied (prematurely, they might argue), they do not ever appear to be in a hurry to commission another batch of parts. Therefore, if your dealer claims to have all the kit in stock you should probably purchase it and keep it on your own shelf in case you decide to fit it at some later date (exacerbating this phenomenon) as there are indeed no guarantees that it will be available at some later date.
