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512 TR values - Another leg up

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  1. MoeD

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    Where are you getting your info, as I believe you're mistaken

    38 is the number of righthand drive ABS cars
     
  2. bpu699

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    In the graph that was posted earlier from Haggerty... it shows values for a #4 car at 280 or so, going up to $500k for a #1. YET, the same graph states that the AVERAGE VALUE is $286...

    Seems to imply the average car is a #4... I mention this as I tried to insure my testarossa as a #2, and the insurance company said that the hagerty prices are not representative of the market... Hagerties little post that the average car is worth the same as a #4 is confusing...

    Thoughts?
     
  3. Bullfighter

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    I expect the same to happen with the 328s, where the GTB version is scarcer in US-spec, but the superior Euro spec is probably 10 times more available. The only sticking point is here in California, where a US-spec car is almost mandatory.

    Regardless, the cars seem overpriced at the moment. So, a good time to own one if you bought it a few years back, but I wouldn't want to be the one who bought in at $340K.
     
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    Not to derail the thread, but there are very few differences between the US and ROW spec 328s. I don't see there being much valuation differences even in the long term.

    And, given the sales of Euro 512TRs recently, there really isn't much of a price premium, if any, for a Euro 512TR (or regular TR) here in the US.

    Finally, as I've said on the forum before, some 93 512TRs have the upgraded differential that is commonly believed only to be installed on the 94. I sold a 93 last year that I confirmed had the newer diff, with confirmation that it was born that way as well. However, there's no question that the 94 still carries a premium over the 92-93. I agree that this premium will become compressed over time.
     
  5. AMG Merc

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    Hi Ross, what makes a 92 TR eligible to import into the US in 2017? I ask as I also have a 92 here in the UK.
     
  6. AMG Merc

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    Absolutely. And they pay £30M even if it's been crashed in earlier life!
     
  7. Melvok

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    #57 Melvok, Jul 1, 2015
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    It is absolutely NO GUARANTEE that your so-called new diff (F 1) will stay out of trouble at all.

    We have seen and heared oem "upgraded-diffs" also broken or having extensive damage on the place where the bearings fit damaged (F 5)(must be replaced too).

    ONLY way is to have a safe gb in your car is to install specially greated, real upgraded diffs as for instance Newmans (F 2) or Forza Components diffs (F 4).

    If interested at all read about gb's and diff here !

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  8. M. Brandon Motorcars

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    Mel, I'm not disagreeing with you that the original diffs in a 512TR won't fail, even the factory "upgraded" diff, simply because of the greater torque of the 512TR motor. And, that if I owned one in my own collection, and planned to drive it even moderately hard, I would replace the diff with one of the aftermarket upgraded diffs.

    All I'm talking about is the market perception of the values of these cars. When a serious buyer does research on the 512TR, they find out very quickly that one of the weak parts of the car is the diff, and that an upgraded part was installed in the 94 cars (and some 93s). Most of the buyers paying big money for these cars today aren't going to drive the cars much, and having original parts on the car is of vital importance (for Classiche certification, etc.).
     
  9. AMG Merc

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    Totally agree, can't see this being an issue myself.
     
  10. lear60man

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    Im not supporting shady practices but......., If the diff was put in by an independent how would the Classiche guys know? I thought the Classiche certification was like a Factory sponsored Concourse.
     
  11. DanielG

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    I'm not sure the details of the process, however mine is being done this month so I'll let everyone know when it's done and pass on the info/process.
     
  12. tf308

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    Can't see the Classiche certification opening the gearbox to verify an upgraded diff.
     
  13. lear60man

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    Thats what I thought Tim. Kinda sad it the process devalues a known upgrade.

    But tradition is tradition.
     
  14. ross

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    they dont
     
  15. DanielG

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    Now they have two 1992 512TR's for sale. 1 asking 315 will take 290 I was told. The 2nd I have no idea the price is yet.

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    I think they will both sell, if not most all Ferraris, much quicker after the August Pebble Beach and Quail lodge concourse. Ferrari Fever. IMO.
     
  16. Melvok

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    In my case the F dealer said that the Forza Diff with its document was a PLUS for a sale !
     
  17. DanielG

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    Ferrari of Beverly Hills has a black on black 93 512TR for sale, and I just spoke with the sales guy it is a consignment car.
    Owner is asking 375k and apparently open to offers according to the salesman.
     
  18. MoeD

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    Prices on these cars keep moving- and asking prices are all over the place

    Can someone please tell me what the values are and the what the spread is nowadays between 92, 93 & 94 model years??
     
  19. DanielG

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    It appears most 92's actually sell in the low to mid 200's +/- ( always an exception for the museum piece on all years) 93's and 94's in the high 200's to low 300's. ABS cars are a $ plus.

    There is only what, about 409 512TR's in the US. So going out on a limb there is probably about 10 buyers out there for each car or more maybe... What if....there is 100 buyers out there per car???? Now we have the market we're in.
    Once a car is sold cheap or expensive it does not matter it's off the market and the pool just got smaller. ABS's cars in the US....about 38, awfully small pool.

    Low mile cars, no one knows exactly and one could argue define low, good or bad, however it seams to me the only time it affects price on an average is a car with north of 30,000 miles.
    Again a museum piece with 800 miles to a collector is good, to a enthusiast it's not. So I believe in the consensus here on F-Chat a good rule of thumb is 1000 miles a year +/_ is a sorted good car.
    Color regards to value is totally subjective. If I had to guess the order would be something like this for popularity today ( changes often )
    Red black white TDF yellow silver/grey then all the rest.
    All of this is just my opinion, worth in today's market with inflation $0.12
    And this is the USA market opinion on for sale and sold cars, however the buyers are world wide.
     
  20. tvu

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    That's good summation Daniel. As we are approaching winter, I would think it's going to cool off for the next 4-5 months, and then spring cycle will kick in.

    Still thinking of getting your car classiche certified?
     
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  22. DanielG

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    It is being serviced and classiche certified, typical Ferrari, lol, it' been done next month, 2, 3, 4 , 5, 6, almost done, 7, 8, well.....crap, typical Ferrari.....lol
     
  23. akingump

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    A clean Red/Tan 1994 512 TR with under 3000 miles just sold for $455k.
     
  24. tvu

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    Wow. That is surely raising the bar for the 512TR.
     

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