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  1. Cozmic_Kid

    Cozmic_Kid F1 Veteran

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    Anyone heard anything about this?

    A paper here was reporting that someone at VW leaked the info that Bugatti had tested a car at more than 500 km/h so that they once and for all could claim the title fastest car on the planet.

    But the newsbit seem to have disappeared again.
     
  2. WILLIAM H

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    Fastest car on planet is over 600 mph
     
  3. ApexOversteer

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    Cosmic forgot to add the all-important modifier... it should read "Fastest Production Car"...

    IMO, it's ridiculous that we haven't broken the '300mph street car' barrier yet. The first car wearing a legal license plate to go over 200mph in a straight line was like 80 years ago!
     
  4. JeremyJon

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    #4 JeremyJon, Dec 31, 2010
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    that's entirely possible, originally there was the bugatti 18/4 concept, with a W18 + quad turbos

    the current veyron runs of course 8.0L 16 cylinders + quad turbos, which are quite small, about size of a mitsubishi TD04 = 1200bhp (SS example)

    to me it always seemed that this could be much increased, for example:
    a 2.4L 4 cylinder dohc + TD04 can reach 300 bhp, same + TD05 can reach 400+bhp

    the ZR1 vette 6.2L V8 + s-charger (10.5 psi) runs 620bhp, at 14 psi reaches 700+bhp, tuners say can reach 800bhp on max boost of stock s-charger, but it's internals can take 900+bhp

    ford GT with 5.4L V8 are reaching over 1000bhp on stock internals with twin turbos

    so hypothetically the 8.0L veyron with turbos upgraded to TD05 size should be capable of easily 1600+bhp, as internals can always be beefed up

    so with that additional 400+bhp and aero work, i would suspect the veyron could reach 500kph / 311mph! IMO
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  5. WILLIAM H

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    Lets hope the aero work makes it less ugly as well
     
  6. Senna1994

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    The issue according to Bugatti is not Horsepower, they can easily get more. The problem is keeping the Transmission alive with that power.
     
  7. VIZSLA

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    And the little issue of where to use it.
     
  8. AlexO91

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    I very much hope something comes from this.
     
  9. DriveAfterDark

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    Veyron was the first road legal factory production car to reach 400 km/h too, no?

    Why are they trying to outgun themselves?
     
  10. Senna1994

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    Interesting Article in the new EVO Magazine about the build process on the Veyron. The refinement and ease of use of the Veyron is just one part about why this car is what it is. Although you have cars that are fast like the new Hennesey or Shelby Aero SSC, it is the level of use with the Veyron that sets it apart from the rest.
     
  11. lmunz22

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    The problem with going faster might be tires.
     
  12. Cozmic_Kid

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    The article I was referring to in my first post said the top speed would be limited to 450 km/h because of the tires.
    But, with the right tires, it should be able to go past 500 km/h.
     
  13. JeremyJon

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    each are correct

    the tires are at thier maximum already, and these where custom desgned by michelin for bugatti

    so a whole new tire would have to be designed, as currently there isn't one available on market that is designed to handle that speed & heat energy

    yes the bugatti is deisgned for smoothness of operation vs. outright speed and power

    example, down the block from me is a drag race car big block chev, pushing 2000bhp, so getting power is not the problem

    this is one reason the bugatti uses the smaller quad turbos, so power delivery is smoother, and to decrease any turbo lag presence

    someday bugatti may come out with a bonneyville demonstrator car, and do this speed, as a purely technical exercise, but i doubt we will see such a street legal car, if ever
     
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    Considering that lowly Oldsmobile had a car capable of nearly 300 mph 25 years ago that looked like it could be something for production if they had been willing to do it, I don't see why VW couldn't do it now.

    http://www.outrightolds.com/index.php/special-features/oldsmobile-aerotech

    Just make the requirement that for each top speed run the tires and wheels must be new and then replaced on the Veyron-2.
     
  16. modena1_2003

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    So they make a 40mph leap with the same rubber they questioned 270mph with? Because if tire technology was up to those speeds, they would have delimited the top speed on the Super Sports.

    Considering somewhere around 240mph the wing mirrors had to be redesigned on the original car because they were causing drag, and in order to jump to 270 the aero had be modified, I'm calling a big smelly pile of hippo crap on 310mph.

    In fact, Pierre Henri Raphanel said he wouldn't want to test at 300mph. He said this after pushing the SS to 269. He told journalists at those speeds, (the speed he'd just driven) if you make one mistake, you're dead.
    310mph is 1 1/2 football fields per second (454.6 f/sec.). Imagine the reaction time needed. Now compare that to the average age of people who can afford this kind of car.

    310mph is a death wish. We need to switch this "top speed" fascination with acceleration and cornering load.
     
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    "This way madness lies"
    The only way you can make 300MPH safe is if the car does most of the driving. At that point you'd might as well be on a train.
     
  19. tbakowsky

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    Looking at that engine picture, it looks like the Bugatti uses a Lambo lower end casting?
     
  20. 4REphotographer

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    Nope, almost every single component is specially made. I believe only 1 part in the engine carries anything but the Bugatti logo and it's only a small pipe of some sort.
     
  21. modena1_2003

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    At least a 310mph crash would provide allot of jobs.
     
  22. 430 scuderia

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    As i know japanese tuning company JUN have bought a Veyron (i don't know specs) and have target to set the 500 KM/H speed record..
     
  23. Paul Vincent

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    I'll bet they get it done too.
     
  24. JeremyJon

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    certainly bugatti or a tuner (jun) could & can make the veyron achieve that speed, a car just for top speed runs
    BUT
    that's a different thing from making a 300mph car which is production reliable & street legal capable at the same time, which then brings in the other factors, tires, cooling, aero, etc.....all while maintaining the impeccabile drivability which makes the car unique
     
  25. modena1_2003

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    I believe that was just a photoshop of the car on the salt-flats. I don't think they ever went through with it. I haven't heard any news since 2008. But if you've got any updated info, feel free to post!
     

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