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Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by ajr550, Feb 21, 2018.

  1. red passion

    red passion Formula Junior

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    The 488 is the facelift of the 458. Hence the code 142M. M stands for "Modificata".
     
  2. phanliu

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  3. crinoid

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    Yes the next car is a completely new model.
     
  4. ferr9000

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    Why not mix both?

    142MFL sounds good...
     
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  5. ppg70

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    Unlekely I am afraid not.......in 2020 no hybrid but still V8 and no new chassis

    But in 2022 yes....revolution and V6 hybrid

    There will bec new car and also hybrid but not the next 488
    812 will be the last 12 cylinder aspirated?

    All above IMHO......so let’s wait and see
     
  6. ppg70

    ppg70 Formula Junior

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    Sorry to correct you but 488 is the modified version of 458 and not the facelift

    M stands for “modificata”, you are right, but FL stands for “facelift”....so they are two different car
     
  7. ppg70

    ppg70 Formula Junior

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    See also my previous post

    Regarding project number the new 488 in 2020 is 142FL (the 488 is 142M as everybody knows)

    But the completely new model and replacement of 488 (2022) has a completely different project number 1XX (carry over from 142FL)
    As you see is not a carry over from 142M
     
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  8. Doug23

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    Isn't the Portofino the first car on the new modular platform?
     
  9. red passion

    red passion Formula Junior

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    In my understanding a "Modificata" and a facelift are same namely an updated version. Can you please explain why you think it is something different?
     
  10. ppg70

    ppg70 Formula Junior

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    normally modificata stands for an important modification based on previous project that it is not only aesthetics but not so important to be named with a new project code
    in fact from 458 to 488 there was an important tech modification since the 488 adopted the new turbo engine

    now normally a facelift, specially in FCA world, involves more aesthetics and can bring minor mechanical or technical evolution but not a revolution. so it is not a new model/car

    finally a new project code named carry over from previous project code means continuity of the model type/range but with totally new contents at all levels.....so a revolution....replacement!

    Hope I was clear enough with my poor English.....btw those are just my assumption so we let's wait 2020, probably at Geneva, to see the "new 488"
     
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  11. ferr9000

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    “142FL” doesnt match any of the 8 Ferrari project codes on the way.
     
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  12. ingegnere

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    There's nothing wrong with your English. The problem is I can't think of any example of where Ferrari has done a facelift (per your definition of a facelift) in recent history. I'm guessing you mean what is called in the industry a mid-cycle refresh or life cycle impulse in BMW-speak. I can't think of any examples of this at Ferrari since the various iterations of the 308 with the i, then quattrovalvove models, etc. with minor body work revisions. Can you give any examples of what you consider a FL?

    All recent changes can be considered M's where the basic "bones" of the car are maintained (including, typically, roof, windshield and chassis /suspension) with relatively major bodywork, engine and name change. Examples are Cali-to-Cali T, 458-to-488, FF-to-Lusso and F12-to-812SF.

    Based on this we can expect the 488 replacement to be a new, clean-sheet design and likely based on the new modular chassis debuted on the Portofino, which is itself a clean-sheet replacement of the Cali T.
     
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  13. ppg70

    ppg70 Formula Junior

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    sure? may be is not classified as new project
     
  14. Doug23

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    Many people on LinkedIn mention project F142FL or F142M-FL in their CV/experience
     
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  15. ajr550

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    I agree.I went through same thought process but could only come up with 512TR to 512M (confusingly modificatata !) and 599 GTB to 599 HGTE (I have not checked but my recollection is that 599 was same platform as 550/575.Happy to be told I'm wrong)
     
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  16. ingegnere

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    Probably the Pista is considered an end-of-cycle facelift.
     
  17. ingegnere

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    Yes funny about the 512M being "modificata". Also the "M" in that case was applied to the car's name but subsequently it was applied to the car's internal code. The first I saw of this was on the 456.

    I drawing a blank of the 599 also lineage also.
     
  18. greyboxer

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    One refers to both F142M-FL & F173 implying they are different - echoing post 307
     
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  19. jim g

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    Completely new mid engine car 2020 nothing happening in 2022. I have no idea where this is coming from.
     
  20. ferr9000

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    Indeed, they are completely different.
     
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  21. Doug23

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    Another guy refers to F142M-VS, F142M-FL and F173 as three different activities
     
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  22. ppg70

    ppg70 Formula Junior

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    I just share my suggestions based on what I know.....I don't want to be right!! sorry if i gave this impression...

    Let's wait and see....whatever it will be, the new 488 will be fantastic and exciting as all new F

    btw 142M VS is Pista (VS=versione speciale).....this is why I told from beginning that Pista will be not a limited edition car (LE) and F will produce around 4.700 Pistas, 3.500 coupe and 1.200 spider. during allocation process of spider this ratio has been confirmed. for example my dealer get 21 coupe and 7 spider
     
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  23. crinoid

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    This is not what I’ve been told. We’ll see.

    No. The new modular chassis is hybrid with batteries in floor of chassis.
     
  24. Doug23

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    The image shows that the central module ("cockpit structure") could be hybrid (w/CF) or non-hybrid (alu or CF)

    btw: I hope the image isn't fully correct: it shows a front-engine layout with a full protruding engine ahead of the front axle.
     
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  25. crinoid

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    Yeah they’ve been clear that the V12 will have batteries and the V8’s will be turbo.
     

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