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    Thanks for the info. I like that a lot.
     
  4. roma1280

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    Please tell me it’s not really $100,000 more? How can that be?
     
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    Ferrari Factory can ask anything …. :eek:
     
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    Where did you hear that? I thought they all had the #51 on them.
     
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    I read it in the offering for the car which also had the color options. I heard it in presentations made by Ferrari to us about the car at driver events. I heard it from salespeople. It was even in magazine articles such as this one:

    “While the presentation model sports the number 51, which matches that of the WEC-winning 488 GTE, clients can get any number they want.”

    With all the personal options available in any Ferrari, a simple change of number on the side of the car and the bottom of the steering wheel is easy.

    While I haven’t looked at each line item for the Pilota, the $100,000 that is being complained about here is versus a base Pista. I dare say very few of us are speccing our Pista’s without some very expensive add-ons. The Pilota includes much of the optional carbon fiber that many of us are adding to our base Pistas. The true additional cost is basically for the tailor made accents such as the unique livery and number.
     
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    $100k is very reasonable for a tailor made car - it actually seems a bit of a bargain to me... I had a good look over it at a recent TM slot of my own and there are some really great details on this car, for instance the rear wing in carbon which runs through to the side venting and is a very complex piece and the seat design which is a first and very novel. They told me it was extremely difficult to do.
     
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    I think charging $525,000 base price for a car with a different paint job is ridiculous, then there are options to add. A nice Piloti is going to be $550-$600k. Who is going to order one?

    When I was offered one I said yes in under 10 seconds, go figure.

    Spec? Blue tdf with my own number of course.
    I’m in!!!
     
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    do you race to be offered one or did they accept non racing top clients as well?
     
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    Yes have challenge car etc
     
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    Depends on what's included in the base MSRP. This is my MSRP and it does not include carbon fiber wheels or any real TM type of features. I've seen 6 Pistas and the lowest MSRP I saw was $420K and half were north of $450K.
     
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    Funny how some say OEM CF options have little to no ROI yet it seems to be well received and always figured into the MSRP that resale is based on. :)
     
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    That's the Pilota sticker or the Pista?
     
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    The $51k other options perhaps tell me it's a Piloti.
     
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    My Piloti came out between 550-600!
     
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    My Pista did not have a $51k other options even though the base price was the same as this one.
     
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    That's because initial allocations go to folks that order Lusso/BS or high MSRP cars. Dealer maximizing profit upfront then work down their customer list as allocations are provided.

    Nothing new.
     
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    Sorry was referring to customer return on investment for options selected on original cars. Some say they are worthless yet the data shows that all secondary market offers are based on MSRP of the car which includes all options. The return is realized at resale and many options are considered deal breakers if not ordered. Best.
     
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    I don't think market offers are based on MSRP though... Half of the for sale ads online don't even mention MSRP or show a picture of the sticker.

    Most cars usually only have a few options that are "must have" as far as CF goes. For Ferraris, the steering wheel in CF is pretty popular. Other than that, nothing really comes to mind on recent Ferraris as must have CF.

    CF options really depend on color schemes. Many people don't like their car looking like a leopard with CF splotches all over it.
     
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    So then, half of the online adds state MSRP and everyone here asks for MSRP in the for sale sections. Of course everyone wants to know the MSRP so they can make a reasonable offer. The seller wants the buyers to know what it cost them. Nothing is for free. Well spec'd and tastefully upgraded cars cost more, are more desirable and sell for more than bizarre specs or plain base models. The Pilota above will sell for more given the MSRP and the spec.
     
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    Almost 50k in carbon options ?? WT* o_O
     
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    #225 noone1, Dec 15, 2018
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    The seller only wants the buyer to know what it costs them if the car is heavily depreciated and at a good price. Look at Ferrari ads on eBay as a good example. Ferrari ads are much less likely to mention MSRP or show a sticker because then the prices don't look as good. A used Aston Martin or McLaren emphasize MSRP much more often because the depreciation is so much more and looks much better.

    I believe the general consensus though is that CF options, on just about any car, do not have high residuals. Ferraris are no different. They sell for more, but only pennies on the dollar more with respect to the CF options.

    We're already seeing it happen slowly, but in the not too distant future, CF will not be much of a luxury trim. We'll eventually be mass producing CF and composites in even cheap cars. BMW i3 has more CF that 100 Pistas and costs less than the options on that single Pista heh
     

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