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458 Speciale Exhaust Impressions & Comparison

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by Sld7, Sep 26, 2014.

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  1. Sld7

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    Four cars were picked for the line up.

    2011 458 Italia, 2013 458 Spider, 2013 California and the 2015 Speciale.

    I drove each car back to back and really focused strictly on the sound quality and sound level.

    The initial rankings may surprise some:

    1) 2011 458 Italia

    2) 2013 California- With X-Pipe

    3) 2015 Speciale

    4) 2013 458 Spider

    Clearly Ferrari is going in a different direction when it comes to sounds levels.

    The 2013 458 Spider has gotten to the point where it is almost "feminine".

    The California with X-Pipe truly sounds awesome, but in the end the oldest car of the group, the 2011 458 Italia was simply superior in both quality and noise level.

    The biggest surprise was the Speciale. I honestly could not believe how tame and quite the car was on cold start and even driving it. Anything below 3,500 RPM, it sounds pedestrian.

    I was really amazed but thinking back when I had the California T for the weekend, I can now see the writing on the wall.

    So....$363,000 later I realize I am going to need to fix this.

    In the past I would go a consistent way when it came to this and either get the X-Pipes of the Race Cats, but this time I realized more would be needed.

    Without getting into too much details, IMHO it is a must to change out the front to back exhaust on the Speciale.

    I did this and the result was a new set of rankings.

    1) 2015 Speciale (Far & Away The Best) Race car sound with F1 undertones. Loud (like it should be) but quality loudness.

    2) 2011 458 (I suggest if you plan on buying used, 2011 is the best year for this car)

    3) 2013 California (The V8 is sick.....sad the T sounds like a Mercedes)

    4) 2013 458 Spider....its now going to my girlfriend!
     
  2. Woppum

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    Can I please ask what system you have used on the speciale. I can only compare my 12 Italia to the speciale and I fully agree. Did the speciale have miles on it or was it new ? Is does take about 500 miles for any new set of pipes to come alive.
     
  3. Sld7

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    PM me and I will.

    Bought new and switched with 200 miles.

    The Speciale was so quite it felt like it was on life support......really surprising since its the "hardcore" model.
     
  4. Woppum

    Woppum Formula Junior

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    Thank u . I will do it now.
     
  5. Melons

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    I agree something must be done
     
  6. h2c

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    I'm very disappointed by the sound of the speciale. Can you please send me your setup?
     
  7. ferr9000

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    Any video or soundclip to compare?

    Thanks for the info.
     
  8. TJF

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    The Speciale that I heard sounded pretty good, Better than they 458

    The exhaust system is similar to the Challenge cars where there is a connector between the two exhausts.
    There's also an additional third exhaust valve so allows for more rundown noise.
    1500 RPMs I've heard is the setting?
     
  9. tommygun888

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    Is it fair to assume that the Spider was driven with the top up?


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  10. mhh

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    The Speciale gets louder as the miles are added but it doesn't sound better. The exhaust is probably the car's weakest point.
     
  11. Rcktrod

    Rcktrod F1 Rookie

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    Can you post a video of the sound of your Speciale and let us know what you did to the exhaust front to back?
     
  12. Sld7

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    I will try to post a video on Monday when it goes in for its finishing touches.....

    I need to install the front windshield heat film protector.
     
  13. Tonza

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    Would love to know your setup. My speciale sounds ok, and I really don't want to mod the car but feel the exhaust is just missing so much.
     
  14. mik458spider

    mik458spider Formula 3

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    What is the setting in the Manettino?
    Race mode is 100 times better than Sport Mode.
     
  15. mhh

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    All race mode does is open the valves lower in the rev range.
     
  16. clar

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    Glad that I am not the only Speciale owner feeling let down by the exhaust note. I find it low and uninspiring. Everything else about the car is off the chart otherwise.
     
  17. Sld7

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    Sad part is it will only get worse from here. Wait till you hear the California T!
     
  18. mik458spider

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    The throttle response is also faster, it's like the engine is pushed to the limit. Even if you drive to 9,000 rpm, Race mode will sound higher screaming than Sport Mode. So in order to compare, you need to switch every car in Race Mode.
    Btw, if you are not a serious driver, don't switch over Race Mode, that won't give you any better sound, but will give you a discount card to body-repair store.
     
  19. mik458spider

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    Speciale only sound higher-scream in high revs. Maybe Ferrari is trying to make customer get-used to a less-F1 sound, so their next turbocharged can be accepted.
    We need something like 360 to 360CS.
     
  20. clar

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    Ok now, I should probably try out Race mode. I have been driving in Sports only for the past 1 week since collection.
     
  21. BurakUsta

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    458 is fun only in ct off or cst off mode,İMHO
     
  22. REALZEUS

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    A couple of points here.

    1) The Spider is intentionally quiter than the Italia and is also softer suspension-wise. Moreover it doesn't have the latest gearbox software. Ferrari say that the Spider's target group is less hard core, hence the differences.
    2) The Speciale, being a track car, is less loud than the Italia due to the noise regulations in many European tracks. It is louder inside though, due to less insulation.
    3) The new turbo cars will suck in the noise department, compared to their predecessors. There is not much that can be done about it.
     
  23. Sld7

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    Perfect assessment.

    I agree 100% with real world experience.

    Kudos.
     
  24. Tonza

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    Does anyone know what the various modification options are that are (1) completely reversible to stock, and (2) will still pass annual emissions inspection, etc.?

    I think if you just change the exhaust, emissions won't really be an issue, but I'm wondering whether changing exhaust alone will be sufficient.
     
  25. RBK

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    This reads like an advertisement for any other car but Ferrari , lol, maybe not.

    I own a 2012 458 with a switch to turn on/off valves. With valves left open, I have never heard a better sound going below underpasses or through tunnels (and I have been to F-1 races and personally race (wheel to wheel)). I drive in Sport Mode (don't like the "banging" shifts in Race Mode except on the track), usually dampen the shocks for the best ride possible. I seldom drive in Automatic except when allowing the car to warm up, and always have the valves open, often driving off the sound of the engine rather than (even) the tach or light display. The discussion of "sound" is never satisfactory imo. It is analogous to diiscussing how we "feel". I have no idea how anyone feels no matter what words are used. To some "happiness" may mean a well endowed young lady, while to others a little house with a picket fenced. When looking for an exhaust (I had a Tubi on my 360 which sounded great and just left valves open on my 430), for the 458, I listened and viewed many You Tube examples and found it next to impossible to hear a difference signficant enough to warrant rushing out and changing exhaust (keeping in mind wanting to be U.S. compliant). After all, as with the 430, I believe you get about as good as you are going to get keeping the valves open. Clearly, get rid of cats, change headers, and remove the mufflers, you will have a different sound and a (U.S.) illegal car.

    I do know one thing. For me, whether a Scudaria or Speciale, for street driving, I am too old to be deafened within the cabin no matter what others may or may not hear outside the car. For the street, when spending $300,000+, it is nice to have peace and quiet (when you want it ) no matter how fast or the way you drive. Best


     

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