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458 major difference in 2012-2015

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  1. RADONCulous

    RADONCulous Rookie

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    I am looking at a 2012 458 Spider. Are there any major motor or top mechanism differences for 2012 vs the latter models? Anything specifically that was a concern in 2012? Thank you.
     
  2. rmk40

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    The 10-11 cars had some issues with the gearbox which were fixed 12 and beyond. I believe 13 and beyond received a more aggressive shifting tune in “race” mode, as it was previously considered too tame by many. And while not a change to the car, 13 and beyond came with 7 years of annual service included.

    There may be other minor differences but those are the only ones I know about.
     
  3. Rory breaker

    Rory breaker Karting

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    12+ was free 7yr annual maintenance not 13.
     
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  4. ShadowLAP

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    While not a performance or reliability item my 2015 Spider has red LED rear turn signals and others have yellow LED's. Not an issue until you need to obtain a replacement. I do not know when the switch over took place.
     
  5. Jason B

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    You're right on the Race mode. 14 here and it's way more aggressive that older models and glad it there.

    I wonder what else changed in the later years. Even though Ferrari may say nothing changed there are also things that change, maybe minor that are a big deal to us. I'd love to know the things people have found that are different,.
     
  6. tekaefixe

    tekaefixe Formula 3

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    This is software or hardware in the gearbox?
    Thank you
     
  7. PTG1

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    Bluetooth connection works on 15 on my old 14 it didn't work properly
     
  8. ttforcefed

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    if you guys are referring to the DCT issue i dont think its been fixed as later model cars have had the issue as well.
     
  9. Gh21631

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    Didnt the earlier years have a more aggrieve exhaust note?
     
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  10. ttforcefed

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    Yes the 10s and 11s but then the dealers were updating the fuel maps and it got rid of the burbles and backfires. Rare to find a car that hasnt had the update


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  11. AlfistaPortoghese

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  12. Ash Patel

    Ash Patel Formula Junior

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    pre 12 has better exhaust note with pops and cracks, post 12 a lot better gearbox = not as fuzzy when driving slow and more aggressive when on it, also the dampers are more firm in race-mode and up on the post 12 models
     
  13. Jo Sta7

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    Typically cars get better each year of manufacturing. I'm sure you'd have to drive the cars back to back to realize. You'll see little things improve like panel gaps, etc. get tighter.
     
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  14. RADONCulous

    RADONCulous Rookie

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    Thanks to all for the insight!
     
  15. tekaefixe

    tekaefixe Formula 3

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    The more aggressive gearbox after 2012 is software right? Can older models be updated?
     
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  16. AlfistaPortoghese

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    Paulo,

    As far as I know, they can. In fact, some dealers update your software on their own, unless you clearly state you don’t want them to. Pre 2012 cars will lose backfiring ability though.

    Kind regards,

    Nuno.
     
  17. tekaefixe

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    Mine is from 05/2012 I dont know if it has the backfiring software or not. Besides They can just update the gearbox software and leave the engine alone no?
     
  18. Live2win

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    I own a 2010 Italia, and a 2012 spider. I have not noticed any difference in exhaust tone in race mode both totally bad ass.

    once you get comfortable with the car run in race mode IMO. So much more responsive and exhaust note is fantastic.

    so I see no difference in model years my Italia has over 20,000 miles no issues.

    I drive both cars hard and as much as possible
     
  19. Tarek307

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    exactly, absolute rubbish, years 2010-2015 suffered DCT issues (some of them) ...I'm glad i bought a 2010 with the burbbles and non updated software, i love the way mine sounds.
     
  20. AlfistaPortoghese

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    Paulo,

    If I’m not mistaken, the Spiders got a less aggressive Race mode and never got the pops and crackles upon deceleration, both of which according to Ferrari were meant to make open top driving more enjoyable. In fact, the software update in the Italia that eliminated backfire was supposed to protect the exhaust system, or so I’ve heard through the grapevine. Nevertheless, I’m sure more knowledgeable owners will check in with more information on the matter.

    Kindest regards,

    Nuno.
     
  21. tekaefixe

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    OK Nuno thank you ;)
     
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  22. Live2win

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    The sound is so outrageous on both of my cars , especially in race mode, I can’t imagine they could get any better, or could have sounded better before any software updates.

    just downshift around 4500 RPMs , all the sound you need , down shift at 3000 , purrs .
     
  23. Jo Sta7

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    I love how aggressive this car downshifts in race mode.
     
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  24. Carnut

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    Open Flash tuner can put back the snaps and pops if you want.
     

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