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456 Fault code help

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  1. rviani

    rviani Karting

    Jun 22, 2005
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    Ron Viani
    I have a 95 456gt with the pre OBDII ( MOTRONIC 2.7) injection system. On a recent ride got an intermittent check engine 1 - 6 light when the engine was idleing which would go out once in gear and moving. After a while it became steady on. I pulled the codes and got:

    1211 - lambda regulation
    1212 - additive value for lambda self regulation (REALLY HELPFULL ????)
    1121 - RPM sensor

    In that order.

    I'm guessing from all of this that the O2 sensor on the 1 - 6 side is seeing something it doesn't like? I don't think the RPM sensor is the problem - may the computer picked up a stray bvad reading ? Car seems to be running basically OK although I may be detecting a very slight roughness at idle. Car has about 26,000 miles and never had plugs or HT wires changed so I thought maybe I would start there.

    Anyone have experience with something like this ??? All advice welcome.

    Thanks
    Ron
     
  2. oss117

    oss117 F1 Rookie

    Jan 26, 2006
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    Alfredo
    Figuring out those check engine lights on the OBD I can be a very frustrating exercise.
    The best suggestion is to start from the least expensive items and work your way up.
    In my case, the first time I got those lights I had to replace the little relays that are directly connected to the Lambda sensors.
    Eventually, after some time and miles, I had to replace also the O2 sensors as well.
    Lately there was a problem with the butterfly of one of the throttle bodies, that was letting in some unmetered air.
    In any case, before you start changing things, make sure none of the small vacuum tubes connecting to the intake manifold are cracked or loose and that all the plug caps are pushed in all the way until they snap.
    Good luck:)
     
  3. 166&456

    166&456 Formula 3

    Jul 13, 2010
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    Amsterdam
    Where to start... Pre- or post catalyst exhaust gas analysis at idle in combination with electrical measurements should give you a good idea as to what is going on. You may want to start with simply having the exhaust gas analysed.

    In my view, the most likely culprit is the intake gaskets; they are known to become weak from fuel and get sucked in the intake, leading to a significant air leak. I would advise to start there.

    Second, lambda sensors and spark plugs are replacement items. Third, the spark plug connector closest to the exhaust on the six pot coils can burn up internally with no exterior signs and lead to a misfire; so one on the left, one on the right.
    When checking spark plug leads, there was a recall for them once so they must have had quality issues with them in general.

    RPM sensors for Motronic on other cars are known for collecting metal shavings from starter ring gear and give inaccurate data to the computer; could be as simple as that. Though this is usually a problem at high revs, maybe the computer stored a code for it.

    Check your fuel pressure regulators (under the 456GT covers on the engine) too, take off the tiny vacuum hose to see if they're not leaking fuel.

    I can think of a lot more, including fuel pressure, bad relay for lambda sensor heating, but start with the items mentioned above.
     
  4. rustybits

    rustybits F1 Rookie
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    Jan 28, 2007
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    Eddie B
    I agree with the above post. Hook up a gas analyser and from cold spray a bit of brake cleaner around the intake base and watch the readings. Also have a listen for a leak from the exhaust manifolds(will be more noticeable from cold)as this will also cause huge adaptive value issues. Also, are your slow down lights operating? The 2.7 system is pretty forgiving and usually the slow down will flag before a check engine with a fuel adaptive value issue.....
     
  5. rviani

    rviani Karting

    Jun 22, 2005
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    Ron Viani
    Thanks guys for all of the helpfull input. There are several items - such as intake manifold gasket issue I was not aware of. Latest development is that after leaving the car out in the rain overnight when first started it was clearly not running on all cylinders. By simply putting my fingers on the exhaust manifold I was able to determine the rear cylinders on the right side were initially not firing. After warming they did begin to fire. I am therefore going to look first for a cause of misfire on that side - seems likely to be ignition related. Will post my findings and hope for continued help. Thanks again.
     

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