#44121 is gonna get it, now.

Dave, you know I respect you and your vast knowledge and expertise of these cars. Treat it as educating me, not arguing the point. If the black tail is in fact an absolute Series I vs Series II feature, then why do some early Series II cars have the black tail? A gradual phase out for early S2s? An orderable option? I'm not arguing, but I've just seen at least those two cars and so it makes me wonder.

I don't know about the vent grille. What's the deal there?

 

Brian,

My guess is that the issue is similar to the 330GT, the transition from 4 headlight to 2 headlight was the most notable change but various other features attributed to a 2 headlight vs. 4 headlight car were not switched at exactly the same time. They changed as supplies ran low e.g. 5 speed tranny and hanging pedals were introduced 125 cars before the headlight change. My car has early style window switches and a 4 headlight style dash but is a relatively early 2 headlight car.

My guess is that the 400 Series 2 design spec had specific features but, when the new spec was introduced there were a number of bodys pre-delivered (or pre-built) by PF and these bodys had the panel already painted black. Using Italian logic: since the back panel was already painted black, why waste the paint...

Regards,

Art S.

 

Brian

I thought Dave was saying exactly the same thing as you

- that there was some overlap of the black tail into the series 2 cars.

The grille on the bonnet was bare aluminium on series 1 cars - as far as I know it remained that way on series 2 cars. Mine, however, is black!

Aidan

 

So which of these would be the one originally used on the 250 GTOs?

Rosso Cina
Rosso Cina 10847 It.
Rosso Cina 20456 It.
Rosso Cina 20456 S
Rosso Cina 20456 S It.
Rosso Cina 22450 It.
Rosso Cina 25996 It
Rosso Cina 815
Rosso Cina 95C 9614
Rosso Cina Chiaro
Rosso Cina Duco 9467542
Rosso Cina Duco 9539614
Rosso Cina It.
Rosso Cina MM
Rosso Cina MM 10593
Rosso Cina MM 10847
Rosso Cina MM 10847 It.
Rosso Cina MM 17847
Rosso Cina con banda bianca
Rosso Cina ex MM 10847
Rosso Cinese D 815 duco

Thanks!
Steve

 

Dave,
is there a site to verify this colour? reason is that a friend of mine has a Mondial 8 with the Glidden Salchi sticker with this code, but his car is Blu Chiarro.
best
Jurgen

 

The only real way is to have someone mix it and shoot it......

Whenever you see all the various years listed together like that, you have to remember there were multiple paint vendors, so my suspicion would be there are really three codes per actual color.

Old cars are Glidden
Then Galsurit for many years
Modern cars are PPG, IIRC....

And the various actual chemical systems involved also constantly evolved with technology.....so you'lll have to tailor to what YOUR shop has the most experience with, IMO.

 

thanks Big Tex,
problem is: he recently bought the car without history. The car is Blu Chiarro as we know it. It has the paint code 6338005 by Glidden Salchi, which would be Azzuro Met. according to the list Dave has posted here. But then I see the Dino 308 GT 4 of Alexander Leventhal and he states that his car is in Glidden Salchi Eurolac Blu Chiaro Mettalizatto which looks a lot like the Azzurro we know now.
Also, the Mondial is an '83, but according to this: http://www.eurospares.co.uk/userImages/ebayShop/PaintCode.htm Glidden Salchi paints were only used up until 1980, then ferrari went to use Glasurit paints.
The current owner owns his own paintshop but would like to know were this puzzle would lead him as he wants to repaint his car in it's original colour.
Attached are pictures of the Mondial, it's Salchi's paint sticker and Alexander Leventhal's Dino 308 GT4.
I know this is not the right section for this, but it is an extension to the list Dave posted here, so please move if deemed neccesary.
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That's a real sticker, the hand written code, IMO. As to wether it matches that late of a car?????

I have a 1977 car with a VERY old Dino color on it, custom order????

What you need to remember though is like catalytic exhaust requirements markets differed, so absolute statements on change over dates often are not absolute! I'd tend to agree that's a very late application of that sticker (same as my 1976 and 1977s by the way)


What he needs to do is register it at the Factory Owner's site, enter the codes in, and they will compare to records there and confirm or deny the paint code number. My latest red 308GTB came black as originally blue so I am going to do exact the same as him and strip it and fix it! LOL!

 

When all else fails pull door panels or carpets they were not neat, when they shot it......

I'll have to sand and buff a part of my red car to scan it, or I may just go with Mecum Blue off the 1966 250LM, it has historical meaning in Houston Texas.

My Dino blue is a very pretty color...

 

Looking great.

 

What the heck?! The seats are the WRONG color? haha. What happened to the black?
Car looks great otherwise. Did you choose the same "creamy white" that was factory or did you do a more Alpine White type color?

And yes, the black wheels needed to go. Funny..when you bought it, I had just been with the car no less than a year back and the wheels were proper silver. Wonder why someone would go black on the wheels...

And it had a new exhaust when I saw it last.

 

I saw and rode in it at Motorcar Gallery. They were asking $28500 if I remember correctly. The seats were black (of course)...and they looked tired, but I didn't blame that on them being black. I would have re-done them in black of course, I would have gone one further and gotten rid of that berber tan carpet and replaced with black. A white on black Ferrari is rather special. There are plenty of tan interior cars to choose from. Your car though!

I want to say this was mid-2006 when I saw it? The wheels were certainly silver and you didn't get the car much after I saw it and the wheels were black by then. Who knows why.

I still have the pictures I took of it when I saw it. Sitting next to what eventually became Dave's blue 84 5-speed if I remember correctly.

 

great work Sebastien...a real feather in your cap.

oh, by the way, i've got the news you wanted to hear...i'm parting the '79, which was plan A, and therefore the rear glass is yours.
give me a call to discuss.

 

Hey, don't give up just yet. Eurospares is breaking a 412 with all glass intact.

Aidan

 

Not quite sure I follow. The rear glass was broken when you unpacked it?

 

Sounds like they sent the wrong glass

Al