Did a quick search on this and didn't see anything... Had a Scuderia for 2 years but traded in for a Speciale. Really happy about it, but do miss the Scuderia and thinking about adding one back. Been driving a manual M3 over the last few weeks and remember how much I love driving stick-shift. Quick search shows that the pricing for a Scuderia and a F430 6sp are pretty much even now. Curious which one might be the better way to go. Not just around the "better investment", but driving experience as well. Also, looking at the F430 6sp spyder to change things up as well since a drop top would be pretty cool. My guess is that they will both hold value well, but feel that the F430 spyder 6sp might complement the Speciale nicely.
I would pick a Scud....but since you have a Speciale, go the other way. Im not convinced that this premium for manual transmissions will stick....it just came out of no where it seemed from that $600k 599 and speculators started hyping other models catching lightning in a bottle. And I love a good manual transmission, 3 of our 4 cars have them....the wife being the Debbie Downer.
Ive driven a Scud, and own a 360 3-pedal... Never driven a 430 3-pedal, but id love to have a Scud to add to my stable over another 3-pedal. As you already have a speciale and used to own a Scud... Just the fact that you're asking about a 3-pedal over a Scud means you probably know what you really want. GL w search!
F430 spider = a solid amount of cowl shake. Will that bother you? I've owned all these cars. My thoughts are you already have the track special car, working through the gearbox in a street car is something becoming more and more rare and if you enjoy it, I think you'll enjoy the F430. Just know the light flywheel and clutch mean when you go to shift, you actually have to give it just a touch of throttle to rev match... on upshifts! Not a big deal and easy to learn. F430 doesn't have the Scud's intensity or "rawness" but you can get the car aligned and you can always go with some lower springs and get it a bit more aggressive if you want... Hard to pick between F430/6 coupe and Scud, but I chose the stick as I really do enjoy driving stick shift.
I own a Scud and a 3-pedal 360 Modena, and given the fact that you have a Speciale, I would opt for the 3-pedal. However, not sure I would be keen on paying $200+k for 3-pedal 430... but what do I know... Though, if you specifically miss the Scud, maybe that is what you should get... or, is it just boredom (for something new/different)?
They're very different cars and only you can answer the question of which one would be best for you as it is a completely subjective decision. I would personally get an F430 spider 6MT though for half the cost you can get a 360 spider. Another thought would be getting a 16M if that's within budget.
430 3-pedal for sure. You'll love driving it around town. So much smoother. You'll probably never have to replace the clutch and say goodbye to all the F1 problems. 👍🏻
Am i correct in thinking that the 430 MT is 'rarer' than the scud..I know that there are no official figures. What are the ballpark numbers?
The 3-pedal F430 gives you a special feeling while shifting. The Scud gives you a special feeling while watching it, enter it, start it, drive it, shifting it (think about the exceptional F1-SuperFast automated manual transmission), breaking it, stop it and walk away from it. Scud forever.
Thanks for the input guys! Never driven a manual Ferrari before, so that's definitely influencing my thinking. Think the general take is that it's amazing. Thought about the 16M as well, but not sure if I want spend that much right now. Wish I could try driving a manual f430, but unlikely unless I buy one I think. The scud is amazing without a doubt. Some days I miss it more than enjoying the speciale.
You are correct that there are no official figures, so the best numbers out there are estimates based off of the data that is available. For the Scuderia, an estimate is 1650-1800 worldwide (estimate based on the known data on the number of Scuds in the UK, and the fact that they normally represent about 10% of worldwide production.) For the 16M the stated limited production number is 499, though it seems generally accepted that there are more produced than this stated number. I have not seen any estimates on actual number of 16Ms. For the 430 manuals, it is well accepted that only 10% of total 430 production were manual transmission cars. Some believe less, but for simplicity we'll use 10%. The tricky part is there are no official numbers in terms of total 430 production. We do know that there were 16,000 360's total (both coupe and spider). Again some believe there were less total 430's than 360's, some believe more 430's. But to play it safe we'll assume 18,000 total 430's with a 50/50 split between coupe and spiders. This would indicate approximately 900 Manual F430 coupes worldwide, and 900 Manual 430 spiders. So there are less 430 manual coupes than Scuderias, but more 430 manual spiders than 16M. As a comparison, it is known that there were 1288 total 360CS (coupe only of course).
The number I´ve got from a German Ferrari dealer was that 230 manual F430 Coupe and 280 manual F430 Spider were built worldwide. But no evidence...
That number from the German dealer is incorrect. We know there were at least 250 (257 is what I have) UK RHD 3 pedals and they did not get half the world's supply. The 10% number is a good WAG and matches up with the 575M (11.9%) and 612 (also around 10%) and that would make 1500-2000 3 pedal F430s. There were over 4700 (4749 is what I have) 360 3 pedals.
Small sample here. I know our local dealer's sales of 3 pedal 430s was far less than 10%. I know of at least one buyer who ended up accepting a 2 pedal. From late '08 through '09, most 430s sold were scuds. It wouldn't surprise me if 15% of total 430 production was, in fact, scuds. Why Ferrari keeps the numbers a mystery is beyond me. Dave
Thanks for the information..so 'around' the same production for the F430 MT and Scud,as far as we know.
UK RHD figures: F430 coupe manual - 129 F430 spider manual - 128 430 Scud - 164 Scuderia Spider 16M - 53 Other UK figures: 458 Speciale - 316 458 Speciale Aperta - 65 CS - 119
The Scuderia is a completely different beast so it's not really apt to compare on gearbox alone. There are so many improvements and optimisations compared to the F430 so of course the performance in all areas is improved. The manual gearbox is very engaging but the SF2 is equally so, so I would go Scuderia in a heartbeat.
I currently have a 430 spider 6mt and love it. I rather drive that car than my 458. My favorite is my 360 spider 6mt just so much fun to drive love driving a stick.... Have had many offers for both my 360 and 430 and won't sell either, prices seem to just keep going higher and higher.
I am shocked by how many 458 Speciales you show relative to the Scud. At 316 in the UK there are almost 2X more Speciales than Scuds! This makes the Scud, 430 manual, and CS even more special, as it appears the days of low production number V8s are over (with the exception of the Aperta of which only 3 are listed on cars.com currently for prices around $800k).
Thanks for the breakdown Russell. I am working my way towards a Scud /F430 manual coupe. Values been going up a lot faster than my savings though! Looks like things are starting to level of a little,at least for now.Those production numbers will look low low low in 10/20 years time.
I say 5 years, since Mr Sweater Guy is at the helm, the factory is churning cars out like pop tarts with their new "modular platform".
