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400i Series 2 5-speed on eBay - s/n 50679

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  1. Ashman

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    And there are lots more subtle (and not so subtle) differences across the years, such as wheel sizes and the series 1 and series 2 versions of the 400i!

    The 412 brought a list of several dozen differences as well, the more significant ones being an increase in hp to 340 and the first road going Ferrari to have ABS.
     
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    #127 alastairhouston, May 4, 2012
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    Would be interesting to know how many 400GT (Carbueretted, Manual) cars are left.
    Not many from the 21 UK RHD imports I guess maybe 3??? and worldwide RHD cars cant be many.???
    The carbueretted cars were 340hp before intro of FI
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  4. dstacy

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    Well I can help with that info just a little...
    For cars in the US there are:
    12 original 400's still on the road
    116 400i autos
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    36 400i 5-speeds
     
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    Any idea how many of the 12 originals 400s are auto/manual? ie 400GT/400A
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  6. Frrarinut

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    My Grigio/red car is now in licensed (titled) in Ontario, Canada so I guess that would make only 35 400i manual 5 speeds and when my Grigio/tan car comes across that will make 34. Endangered species...? I am focused on making them right and putting them back on the road, so guess I am trying to maintain the species, even if the US population seems to be dropping.

    Still looking for a 365GT4 2+2...or 400GT 2+2 manual transmission carb car....

    QUOTE=dstacy;141422927]Well I can help with that info just a little...
    For cars in the US there are:
    12 original 400's still on the road
    116 400i autos
    and
    36 400i 5-speeds[/QUOTE]
     
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  8. Frrarinut

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    I was just wondering; does anyone know of a chassis number registry or list for 365Gt4/400Gt/400i/412 cars?
     
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    #132 Ashman, May 4, 2012
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    Not to quibble with Dave's database,which is quite comprehensive, but my latest numbers show that there are 51 400i 5 speeds in the U.S., no, make that 50 as Chuck Queener's 5 speed went up to Canada a couple of months ago. There is one 5 speed (40557) that I am counting as in the U.S. but it has bounced back and forth between the U.S. and Canada over the past few years so I don't really know for sure where it is today. edit: Right, forgot that Frrarinut's grigio/red 5 speed also migrated from California to Canada, so my count would be 49 in the U.S.

    My database counts on the 400 versions is as follows:

    400 5 speeds: 8 in the U.S., probably only 3 on the road.

    400A: 14 in the U.S., probably 12 on the road.

    Bear in mind that several of the s/n data could be several years old and that a car that was on the road in 1998 in the U.S. might no longer be on the road in 2012 or could have been sold overseas since then.
     
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    Sorry Alistar I don't have that info
     
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    Yeah I think between the two of us John we're pretty damm close.
    The bottom line answer is, "not many"
     
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  13. Ashman

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    Very true. The numbers of these cars out there and available is actually very few and much fewer than some of the more mainstream, popular models. Heck there was just about the same number of 365GT4 2+2/400/400i/412 5 speeds made (1,360) over the 1973-1990 time period as there were 365GTB/4 Daytona coupes (1,284) made between 1968-73.
     
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    I reckon that is a good asumption, good work from your side (US) that you keep a good record of the cars as they get rarer and rarer interesting to piece together where they all are. Thanks to the likes of yourselves
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    I can tell you that #40555, which I owned and sold, is now in Canada.

    P.S. I wish I still had it....
     
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    So I'd love to know why 50679 keeps changing hands......

    Fundamentally, is it a bad apple?
     
  17. Frrarinut

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    No, it is absolutely NOT a bad apple! I cannot speak for the previous owners but it is now fully sorted and I am using it as my daily driver, and enjoying it tremendously. I have two almost identical 5 speed 400i's and also a really very nice 1969 365GT2+2, a 348 Spider and a mint 308GTB carb, and something has to go, as there are a couple of other older Ferraris that I want to buy. I would like to sell one of either this car, or my other grigio/tan 400i, and I would be happy to keep either one. This car is honestly in better shape than many of the other cars on here that are referred to as good cars. It is absolutely rust free, mostly original factory paint, makes all kinds of power, runs reliably, doesnt smoke or use oil, shifts well, brakes are all virtually new, the original leather is all in very good condition, The rubber seals are good, the original carpets are in excellent condition, it has a fresh set of TRX's on it. It has a complete service file going back many years, to the US import date. I bought this car because it was a solid car that needed some love, and I have provided that love. I advertised this one because I have done the work to sort it, and it is completely ready to enjoy. I invite any of you over for a coffee and a drive.

     
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    Oh boy, somebody is going to their back in an uproar over that comment.
     
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    Do you have photos posted somewhere we can see this car? What work did you have done on the car since you've owned it?
     
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    I heard or read some place that there were 3, 400 carb 5 speed cars in the US. I wonder how many 365s there are?
     
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    I show 4 carb'd 400 5-speed's in the US.
    John might chime in here, I'm sure what his numbers say.
     
  22. Ashman

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    This was post #132:

    Both Dave and I have collected our information over many years, so some data from years ago may not be accurate in 2012.

    Let's just say that the numbers are really, really, small!
     
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    #145 Frrarinut, Jun 14, 2012
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    #146 Frrarinut, Jun 19, 2012
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    Here are a few pictures of 50679 takings its rightful place on the red carpet at last Sunday's Yorkville Exotics car show, which raised $30,000 for prostate cancer research. 50679 looked great in line with a large group of Ferraris. Even the lovely lady in the white Testarossa seemed to like it... The weather held out, the crowds were large and respectful, and overall it was a fabulous day. To answer Ashman's earlier question, I have not done anything major, as the car has only needed minor detail work. I have gone through the car to check it, pulled the starter apart cleaned and reassembled it, gone through the brakes to make sure they are right, swapped out some wheels to rid it of curb rash, put on a fresh set of Michelin TRX tires, new hoses, plugs fluids, and generally tuned and detailed the car. The car behaved very well on the quick run into Toronto and very well even in stop and go traffic driving on the slow drive home.
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