Hi I'm new to this so please excuse the perhaps obvious question, but it seems that 365BB's are worth a little more than their younger, more powerful brothers in the various classic valuation charts.. Can anyone explain why this is and advise which one would be the better buy? Or should I plump for a 308GT4 first, just to get my eye in as it were?! Cheers Pete
The 365 are more powerful and lighter than the 512 BB and 512 BBi , also rarer and to some , they look better ( shorter , more aggressive ). 365 BB: 380 hp 512 BB: 360 hp 512 BBi : 340 hp
oh no...here we go again. all boxers are great and the performance difference will not be seen on street conditions. there is an indicated hp delta as cited in andrew's post bot the delta is more than made up with better throttle response in the later cars. i have driven them all and like them all equally. they are all boxers...what's not to love??!! if your fist venture into a vintage ferrari, you may do well to get into a dino or a 308gtb first. the boxer is a substantive step up when you are ready! boxers are really the quinessential (mid engine) road going ferrari. pcb
365s are more valuable because they are the first of the series, also the most rare. Historically, there hasn't been much price difference between any of the Boxers, although that has changed recently. Honestly, the best buy is the one you like the most. I wouldn't buy any of them as an investment. However, if you insist, I think either the 512BB or BBi would be a better investment than a 365. Why? Because 365s have already gone up significantly. Traditionally, the various Boxer models have traded at similar prices, and in the long run I believe they will maintain that relationship. I think the others will catch up to the 365.
I like them all as well but there is no doubt in my mind that the 512 series is a better car, an improvement over the original 365 design which only makes sense even it it offends some. The biggest points a 365BB fan seems to make is an ungodly power advantage and light as a feather (on paper). In reality, the 365BB prototype engine made 380HP at 7000rpm then detuned for production to 360HP. The 512BBi is 340HP and the 512BB in the middle somewhere plus the 512's make that power and more torque at lower more useable levels in the RPM range. Also, we have yet to see a 365BB weighed to confirm its magical ability to be the same car made of the same materials yet weigh so much less ( yes, part of it is options). The 512 series improvements were dry sump, dual disc clutch, better cooling, better rear suspension, wider rear track, wider tires, front spoiler to keep the nose down at speed and to me, better looks. I dont like the narrow boot lip ahead of the rear wheel compared to the 512's beefier section, looks more correct as if they made an error on the 365 and corrected it on the 512's. The front spoiler also improves looks.
Dude the 365BB would be a heck of a first Ferrari, set aside 100% of purchase value for additional maintenance.. These owners are telling it like it is. They are worth more mainly due to rarity and they will cost more to maintain for the same reason......rear ends were underdesigned for the power and fail if not upgraded to the later 512/TR parts......unique parts also drive up cost of repair.. 512 carbed version is the 'middle version' if you will, I looked at a beautiful example last week and it was well worth the ask of $72K. Then the most prolific production was the final 512BBi and as all tese proud owners say it's the newest as well as the final design upgrade. Call Ferrari of Houston and make SURE that deal went thru......that was a nice carbed example, if you do not want the later BBi.
And the BB512 and BB512i a/c is far superior to the 365GT4/BB...even though they are marginal at best.
I agree with what Newman posted. The final years of a model run with Ferrari have always had superior improvements made to them, compared to the earlier series. i.e.- 1985 TR, compared to the 512TRs or F512Ms. I'm not real keen about some of the styling on the 365BBs either. The six tail lights / six exhaust pipes just don't do it for me.
Here's the reality of the hp, the 365 prototype had 380 and the car did 188mph, production was rated at 360 but in reality it was 340hp, the 512BB carbed has 360hp and 512BBi 340 from CIS and lower profile cams. 365BBs are very light, I have never heard one but they must sound radical with the smaller displacement Daytona pistons and higher rev limit than the 512s. I would say jump in with both feet and get one now before they get expensive soon.
there was a 365BB as well as several 512BBis at the national meet track event last weekend. the 365 sounded a bit higher pitched and somewhat louder, but it wasn't significantly different than the 512s. john
i'm sure, i only heard them zooming down the track, usually with other cars around. they both sounded great! john
you can listen to my 365bb revving here http://aussieexotics.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=22609 Oh and the 365bb is a better car
I have owned both a 512 BBi and my current 365 BB (S/N 18745). The 365 is a more raw unrefined car than the 512. I like it that way but others may differ. I also prefer the cleaner lines of the 365. Although the front spoiler, NACA ducts and wider rear wheels of the 512s helped performance at the limit, in my opinion they detract from the car's beautiful lines.
If I wanted a car with real AC, the last car I'd buy is a Ferrari, never mind the thought of buying a BBi instead of a 365 just because the marginal AC was marginally better... If I want cold AC, I'll drive my Subaru or M3...
Naw, just go for the Boxer! But if the 308GT4 is one you think you'd rather have/afford/be more practical, just don't take a boxer for a test drive! 12 carbed cylinders will spoil you quickly. Any of the boxers will cost you considerably more up front, as well as in maintenance. But maintenance can be kept to a reasonable amount if you can do some of the work yourself. No need to pay a shop $100 per hour, plus parts, to change spark plugs, etc. If you start with a car that's had the major service done, belts, etc., and if you don't have any intensive surprises, bugeting $2500/3000 per year should see you through. Intensive surprises can be very $$$ intensive though. Several of the guys here do their own work to some degree, and there's lots of threads regarding the work done. Boxers are awesome machines, fun and exhilarating to drive, just be sure it won't bust the piggy bank!
Haha I have some pics when the car was in the west coast . I got a call yesterday , it should be home today ! Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
HEY HEY!...now we are talking Rare Birds! Cant wait to see it in flesh! From the pics I only see 4 digits on the odometer, It has less than 10,000 klm.?????????? Is EM going to the pocono event with it in 2 weeks?
Here in Georgia you need an A/C if you plan to drive your Ferraris any time between May and October. I suppose if you just want a gargage queen,the A/C isn't as important...And, I test drove all three Boxer models before buying my Boxer. I decided on the BB512i for several reasons, including the fact that I prefer FI over carbs as I actually drive my Ferrari to work sometimes in traffic as well as on weekends and I like the FI tractability and ease of maintenance...plus I like the looks of the longer body of BBi(the 365 looks a little stubby to me) as well as the looks of the NACA ducts and lower front spoiler...the better A/C was a bonus as well...
