360 roll over shut off valve recall

Where did you read that the fuel pump's manufactured with faulty plastic?

 

It's craplastic. I've replaced a valve and a pump in mine. I expect the other components to eventually go as well... I argue if not replacing it as recall, at least lower price on the parts to reasonable us car equivalent prices..

 

The 360 has been around since 1999. How many people has Ferrari let burn to death so far?

 

I'm sure it's all about the benjamins.

How many cars to replace the pumps in the UK, vs. how many in the US? also how will regulatory bodies differ in the US vs. UK in mandating it?

 

The anti-evaporation systems are very different between federal and euro-spec cars. I can't recal cases of people burning to death in their 360 due to either cracks in the fuel pump cover or roll over valve pipes breaking. The roll over valve pipes in the early cars were made too short and the plastic connection point would snap off the valve. Cracks in pumps/casings are only recently becoming apparent, and it's rare. Over dramatisation seems to be rife......

 

I disagree Eddie. I think as the fleet is actually driven and cars have more than 15-20k miles on then, the heat from the engine bay (unlike Porsche and other applications of the Bosch pumps) and ethanol will lead to breakdown of the plastic, leading to cracking. I just know its only a matter of time until I have to replace the other units....

 

A friend of mine burnt alive inside of his 360.

 

But that is exactly what I am saying. The euro roll over valves were modified because they were made using pipes that were to short. The plastic on the fuel systems are becoming brittle and age-hardened/ damaged by modern fuels. The cars are getting old. Parts fail. Replace them, and don't keep blaming Ferrari. It is hardly a hugely epidemic problem.

 

Then what do you say about the car that I service with 135000 miles and the several that have over 50000 without a problem with either.

Since 1999 I have not seen a single pump body cracked and all the roll over valve failures happened when they were removed for resealing.

 

+100

 

Cars in more temperate climates? Perhaps owners used ethanol free fuels? Less track and traffic use? Mine is a euro.. and right pump started leaking at about 52k miles, right rollover valve started leaking 2-3 months later after a warm day. I'm fairly sure had lots of track use in past in South Florida. Epoxy sealed it nicely until I could get it replaced...

David, was that fire death because of a collision or because of a leaky valve? Once the fuel tank is compromised all bets are off. I think I remember you posting here about it.. so sorry..

 

My friend lost control on a curvy/wet road and impact a tree on his side. He got stock with the seat and the door. The passenger was able to get out of the car to seek for help. He tried to contact someone without luck, he went back to the car to help his buddy but the fire don't allow him. He burn all his body trying but my friend burnt alive inside the car.
The car don't explode but it burn all of it.
Truly sad guys!!!

 

Our temp range goes from 25 or so to 105 or so and we have the most adulterated fuel in the USA but by all means, go on believing whatever works for you.

 

Your experience by far trumps mine. I'm just trying to get an understanding of why things occur in these cars...

 

No I am just tired of seeing people get seriously bent over because internet mythology conditions owners to believe these cars are more fragile than crystal figurines and need restoration every year and a half. Many shop owners and service managers are more than happy to help your car live up to those expectations.

Testarossas are a prime example. Their value has been shot to tatters because they have a reputation of being ruinously expensive to operate. I was factory trained on them and have been fixing them since 1985 and it is a bunch of bull**** but there are many shops and dealers charging outrageous sums to keep them running because thats what people walk in the door expecting.


You guys say the pump mounting plate and the roll over valves are junk and fail ever 5 years and next thing we know they are all on global back order because everyone comming in for an annual service gets sold them.

So many ham fisted morons were breaking roll over valves while resealing them Ferrari made a special tool to do the job but how many people admitted to breaking them?

 

There are a lot of TR owners that launched their cars and those weak Diffs from the Boxer era failed with $30k bills.

 

Not debating your experience.. .

But this is a quantifiable break... if you smell gas, it has to be coming from somewhere. In the case of the pump, I could see myself the drip from the stem.

I did replace the injector hoses two years prior... so the component failure did not happen in an expected time frame if it was due to any ham fistedness on my part. Otherwise no work in there, sealed so to speak behind the engine trim panels.

Lord knows I only replace things when appropriate on my car, they're durable cars.. I'm just trying to understand mechanics for prevention of failure... and if half of Redhead owners drive stick as bad as I've seen (i.e. if their Porsche only get 30k miles per clutch).. I'm not surprised.

 

Exactly.

No one wants to accept that in the cars first 2 years of life it went through 3 flippers who all drove it like they stole it.

Many of those blown up diffs were damaged in their first few months of life and have been rolling time bombs ever since.

 

Not surprised. We already know that some of the EU cars are having a recall. Different situation from US cars.

As far as the pump cover? I see cars everyday that are broken through acts of human intervention.


In general it is beyond stupid for most of the industry to be using plastic parts in the fuel systems. Most will fail, it is only a matter of time and legislating different witches brew fuel formulations every couple of years is not helping. But saying the 360 stands out as defective is just not correct.



You want to see cheaply made plastic parts take a Mercedes apart some time. I had to take the front end apart on our E55 over the weekend to replace a running light bulb. Mattel makes better plastic parts.