360 / F430 brake upgrade options

There are perfect fitting Brembo kits for the 360. I wouldnt mess around with sth. like brakes.

 

Have a look on EBC brakes site in uk. They do different types of pads to suit, plus discs i think for a 360

 

Why not oem 380mm 430ccm/360cs parts with iron Giro rotors. Fronts i did for under 2600$

 

This is an excellent question.

 

Brake balance is the main consideration together with the piston sizes/caliper volume vs the current master cylinder size. Balance affects how the car behaves during braking, and the fluid volume is important to provide adequate pedal feel whilst making sure that the master cylinder bore size is suited to the calipers. Brakes are a matched system. Bolting on larger calipers from another application can work, but most often it isn't optimal. Of course cost comes into play and the cost different may make it worthwhile accepting 8/10ths performance if the cost differential is thousands.

The other consideration is ABS, and more importantly (F430 only) is ESP - which Ferrari calls ESC.

The ABS model is calibrated based on a known disc size, caliper configuration (size and piston diameters/fluid volume), and even friction coefficient of the pads. Changing brake components can upset correct operation of ABS leading to suboptimal performance. In simple terms, if one corner becomes more or less powerful than it was previously then the ABS will end up over or under compensating when correcting a skid. Correctly functioning ESC is even more reliant on brake constants within its model. The brake calibration for the Scuderia is different to the regular F430 in order to take account for the larger front discs.

There is some leeway built into the systems and they can be affected to a minor degree where an average driver won't notice, but it's worth being aware of how the brake setup feeds into how they work.

 

All of the "big brake kits" I have seen for the 360 are stupid big brake kits because of the small front wheel size. The NSX (first gen) had the same problem. Comptech USA managed to put together a real big brake kit for the front of the NSX with real Brembo billet calipers with real racing floating rotors on fixed hats. The clearance was so tight that I could put 2 credit cards between the outside of the caliper and the barrel of the wheel, but not three credit cards. It looked amazing and the performance was phenomenal. I can remember driving my (supercharged, 425 HP) NSX so hard that the plastic center caps literally melted and fell out of my rear wheels, but the front calipers were still cool enough that I could put my hand on them. This kit sold like hot cakes.
Somebody needs to do this for the 360.

 

U definitely got a smoking deal on the rotors just my fronts new with pads was $1800!

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Then go to 19s. And fill the wheel gap up with a modern wheel and better brakes.

 

I actually started to research what it would take to have custom 19" billet wheels manufactured that looked just like the starfish wheels.

 

Money can buy anything

 

1000%

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Okay so what is my next step? I cannot find any companies that will manufacture a wheel to my specifications.

 

I think most big companies won't do 1 offs ..to much money . Set up ,drawing the design and the whole nine yards of the plan. Unless you go to the 360 challenge brakes which use the 18" wheel . I say go to a 19 and the endless possibilities

 

I use a brembo 355mm BBK on the front under my 18” 360 Challenge wheels.

Rears are stock but with matching 2 piece rotors to match the front


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I've attached pics of my setup.

The first 2 are the front wheels with the BBK setup and the last pic is to show the stock rear caliper + stock sized Brembo 2 piece rotor setup for comparison behind the 18" 360CH wheels.

I've had the setup for about 1.5 years at this point and use it on a mix of road and track and love it.

Before the BBK setup, I slowly worked my way up like how most people would tackle a brake deficiency setup.

When I bought the car, it was completely stock and with all stock brake components; understandably, the stock street pads would wear extremely quick on track and the ATE TYP200 fluid I was using would boil after 2 laps and would require a cool down lap to let things settle a bit.

Next I upgraded to GiroDisc 2 piece rotors because the stock ones were getting thin. Aside from the physical weight difference of the 2, with nothing else changing, I didn't notice a difference at all.

My next upgrade at this point was with brake pads. GiroDisc recommended Raybestos ST43 pads due to their high initial bite, medium wear and were supposedly gentle on rotor life. On paper it all sounded great and I paired it with their titanium shim which I now think are more of a gimmick than anything else!

I also upgraded the brake fluid to Castrol SRF at this time because if there's 1 thing I HATE doing, it's bleeding brakes!

With this setup of stock calipers, GiroDisco 2 piece rotors front and rear in stock size, Raybestos ST43 pads front and rear, Castrol SRF fluid, for the track I was a member at, MSR Houston - a relatively short technical track without any long straight followed by heavy braking into turn 1 type scenarios like what you'd see at COTA's turn 1 and 12, the setup was adequate and competent. I didn't experience overheating, fading, the need for an intermediate cool down lap but if there was one critique, it would be that even with race pads and race fluid, I'd still experience a bit of degradation towards the end of the session. It's not like with the completely stock setup where it was scary and when the fluid boiled, you'd have no pedal but I did notice that I'd have to progressively adjust my brake marker up as the session went on since I could tell it was starting to get overwhelmed with the heat and abuse. I definitely didn't have the confidence later in the session to apply the brakes as hard or as late as I would have on say lap 2 but it was significantly improved over stock.

I used that setup for a long time until I found a great deal for a second hand BBK setup since it required cosmetic refurbishing.

Even with just the front axle getting the BBK upgrade, the braking performance was truly improved. I kept the stock rear caliper but replaced the rear GiroDisc rotor for a matching stock sized Brembo 2 piece rear rotor because I couldn't live with the mismatched look, especially since the Brembos are drilled and the GiroDisc are slotted. The previous setup was adequate and competent for my skill level but with the BBK, I felt like a hero! There's definitely no fade, no boiling and I didn't notice any degradation during a 20 minute session. I had the confidence to brake consistently lap after lap and it showed in my lap times. Also as a testament to the Castrol SRF, after having the fluid in there for a full year and me going to the track once a month, during my annual fluids maintenance, the fluid still tested at <1% moisture content.

I previously balked at the cost of the front only BBK at full MSRP which is why I never pulled the trigger on it but after experiencing it, I would gladly pay full retail on this setup. It's truly amazing.

Now, if you had the money for an even larger iron F430's 380mm or the Scuderia's 398mm setup or went to full carbon ceramics, I'm sure it'd be another huge step up but as the guys above have said, that's a lot of money and on top of that, you'd need to buy new wheels.

So, with all that said, you really need to ask yourself if spending all of that is just for the looks or something fit for your purpose. For me, I'm happy with my setup but if a full CCM set with matching calipers for $5000 came up, you better believe I'd snatch that up in an instant!

 

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I too researched this, could not find a shop to replicate the starfish wheel in 19" in the USA... was thinking of having one of my engineers do it in the shop, but I think the project would get out of hand quickly.

@clean512: didn't you have a set of wheels made? If so, do you have a contact?

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Yes I'm using rotiform wheels. They do have a big selection of wheels. But I know there manufacturering team could help .or at least say we could make this wheel for you.