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360 engine in 348?

Discussion in '348/355' started by Bird511, May 20, 2023.

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  1. Bird511

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    I've done alot of searching and have yet to find anyone that has actually done it. My 348 dropped a valve and destroyed the head/cylinder I have already bought a replacement head however I'm considering going another path before going deep down the rebuilding the 348 rabbit hole. From what everyone has said the 348/355/360 uses almost the same block, comparing the head ports it appears the head mating surfaces are nearly identical as well. I love my 348 but the 348 lacks the sound and it's a bit gutless, I'm not really concerned about resale as I have no plans or desire to ever sell the car. I would go stand alone and have a wiring harness built using haltec. Has anyone done extensive research on this and/or done it? I would leave the 348 trans as mine works fine and the 5 gears don't bother me (I know the 360 trans is much longer)
     
  2. bobzdar

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    355 would be a lot easier and is only down a little in top end power. 360 had variable valve timing for better low end but it'll be a project mating that to a transverse (348/355) trans. Plus the 355 has itbs, which give it amazing throttle response.
     
  3. Bird511

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    Why would 355 be any easier? 360 is notoriously more reliable. 360 engine is also about half the price of a 355 engine. According to all the research I've done 348/355/360 all uses almost the same block which would mean 348 transmission would bolt up fine to a 360 engine and all my 348 accessories would bolt right onto the 360 block, Itb's are really the only thing better on the 355.
     
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    Also 348/355 are not transverse
     
  5. bobzdar

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    Because the 355 crank is configured for the transverse trans prop shaft while the 360 crank is configured for a flywheel, and they (most likely) have different bolt patterns for the vastly different transmission types. The 348 and 355 have transverse transmission with the clutch hanging off the back, the 360 has a traditional setup with flywheel and clutch between the engine and trans. You'll be dealing with all kinds of adapter plates, custom couplers and stuff like that with the 360 where the 355 has the same configuration as the 348.
     
  6. bobzdar

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    The transmission is transverse, not the engine. 360 transmission is longitudinal.
     
  7. Bird511

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    348 vs 360 engine bolt pattern and crank appears the same I don't think there would be any issue bolting a 348 transmission up to a 360 engine
     

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    I'm looking at those and they're definitely similar, but definitely not the same.
     
  9. Bird511

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    Crank pattern and bellhousing pattern appear the same which is what matters, the lower pan is definitely different but I'm sure you could use the dry sump setup off the 348. I am 99% sure there would be no special adaptors and such.
     
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    Go for it, let us know how it goes. If course it can be done...Heck, somebody put a 512tr engine in a 355. Not the easiest, but definitely possible.
     
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    I’m curious why you think it lacks the sound. 348/355 are some of the best sounding v8s ever. At least after you unleash it with an exhaust.
     
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    This isn't intended to be a "crazy swap" just considering that the 348/360 uses essentially the same block a 360 motor should theoretically bolt into a 348, I'm sure using 360 wiring harnesses and ecu and wiring them into the 348 chassis would be possible but with the cost of a 360 ecu coupled with the outdated technology a haltech or modern ecu would make alot more sense. I've been building cars my whole life, having worked in many shops building exotics this just doesn't seem like a hard swap I'm just hoping someone has attempted it and can see something I'm missing.
     
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    I dont think you can clump 348/355 together sound wise, and 355 and 360 have very similar heads, 348 is entirely different my car has tubi exhaust and it sounds ok but isn't a high rpm screamer like a 355/360.
     
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    The 360 must be something because my Mondial t and 348 with Tubi’s make the hair stand up on the back of my neck.
    Do the swap, will be super cool, but you’ll have to make a glass engine cover!


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  18. PAUL500

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    Where the spigot bearing sits on the end of 360 crank is an internal spline instead on the 348/355 crank, this allows direct drive via the propellor shaft of the 348/355 gearbox to the clutch at the rear.

    You would need to fit a 348/355 crank or design an adapter hub to fit onto the end of the 360 crank to form that internal spline.
     
  19. Ferrarium

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    It's possible but not bolt in by any means there will be engineering challenges, the mere content of this post says a lot about the prospect of this happening.

    Any bets as to whether this ever gets off the ground?


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  20. KevZep

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    Just bolt a whole 355 subframe into a 348, that might be a lot easier....
     
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    Not quite sure the connection between reliability and ease of installation but I'd love to see it done, post pics as you go!
     
  22. Bird511

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    348 doesn't sound good just lacks the rpms mainly
     
  23. Bird511

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    I understand the hurdles however
    Every picture I can find of the end of the 360 crank it's identical in appearance to a 348 crank
     
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    drop in that 360 for rpm's! :)
     
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    An eyeball and a micrometer are 2 different things though.
     
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