It was an F1. You can see the F1 pump in the right rear QP. It wasn't tires... it was inability to drive. Would have happened in a 911 or corvette.. wouldn't have mattered. Well.. maybe a GT-R, in which case the car would be driving for him.
Sad indeed !! My guess is that he was showing off to his friend filming the video how to power-slide a Ferrari 360 in a corner, when the driver realized there was on-coming traffic and steered away and/or hit the brakes losing traction and going off-road... The fact that the car was F1 (seen by the F1 oil tank) makes -in my opinion- the situation worse as the driver has no clutch to control the torque to the driven wheels of the car.. The good news of this story is that no-one was hurt... The bad news is there is one less red Ferrari 360 on the streets...
Reminded me of this 430 wreck video that I saw last week.... bad tires?? Exotic car tour Ferrari crash - YouTube
You can hear the 430 in that video accelerate near the end of the turn right before it breaks loose. There are also several exotic car crash compilation videos on youtube that show the back ends kicking out on turns. I have no serious driving experience and do not have a "feel" for how far you have to push it for this to happen. If anyone has any advice beyond "don't accelerate hard while turning", I'd love to hear it.
Looks like he got on the brakes while turning. This shifts the weight to the front tires, which makes the rear go light. Result is a pirouette.
I was wondering if that was the UK guy also. Met him several times on Mulholland and at Supercar Sunday. Didn't see him there today at SCS so it may have been him. Glad he is OK but it clearly looks like driving beyond the limits of the road and car. Really sad a beautiful 360 is destroyed, but hopefully he's uninjured. Addendum: I've stopped going to the Snake on weekends in my 360 or GT-R because the cops have gotten so bad out there. But part of the reason they have gotten so bad is because of careless driving, going too fast, and the resulting accidents.
Both look like they may have turned off the traction control eh? The second video was easily corrected out of so some funky there....tires, driver, ASR etc.
yup.. lot's of people take the vid camera to Mulholland on weekends. Youtube are full of Mulholland footages (crashes and otherwise).
How did he lose it? Road there appears straight? Or was he coming out of a turn? Glad he is ok Sent from my 16M
Before the car appears on the camera it's coming off the turn while the tail's braking loose. I've met this fella @ SCS, glad that he's ok.
I was behind the guy about two hundred yards. I came around the corner above the lookout, heard a Ferrari using way too much power and just saw the car entering the right-hander at a speed that was clearly inappropriate and begging for the result. Nobody crashes in that spot -- Nobody. The cause: Extreme, crystal clear idiocy. To all of you saying "tires" or "didn't expect the car coming up" or "shoulda corrected more", cork it. This fool has a reputation for reckless driving and he showed it here with his 10 year old son in the passenger seat (thank goodness he was okay). The guy deserves every bit of mockery we can muster, not more excuses. He is the perfect example of bad judgement we should all seek to avoid.
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+1 Same reason I stopped going. If you can afford a Ferrari, you can afford a multi day driving course or two.
Looking at the second video, I believe it is pure lack of skills from the driver... Modern Ferraris are easy to get in and drive with the F1 transmission, but they are still racecars in setup and tricky at the limit... All Ferrari owners should take some driving courses to understand the handling of their cars at the limit... Making Ferraris more accessible is sometimes worse, as it gives wrong confidence to people to push their cars more !!!
Glad to hear they are OK. I'm curious as well about the exact circumstances of the loss of control. I have often heard the 360 is "twitchy / can bite at the limit", I'm working on getting a 3-pedal coupe so this topic is of particular interest to me. I've put ~40,000 seat miles on a 97 Viper GTS which is my benchmark for "scary street cars" (it occasionally tries to kill you as a matter of course), and have subsequently driven a lot of supposed "scary cars" which were *****cats by comparison. So maybe some folks with more seat time in 360s than myself can comment on the dynamics? From the video, it doesn't see like ludicrous speed was involved, it appears that he might have gotten on the throttle way too much and way too early coming through the sweeper? Also concur about good thing it wasn't a spider, glad no bystanders or other cars got hit either. I think there is some valuable learning in this event so hopefully some other folks can provide their analysis....
Above is true.. but the only thing that these videos attest to in my eyes is the crash worthiness of modern sports cars. I think its as simple as common sense. You don't go 10/10 in the car without knowing it.. and gradually progressing to that level in it. Getting to that point is where the common sense comes in... which so many don't have irrespective of the cars they drive. There is no reason that you should be anywhere above 6-7/10 on a public road in your Ferrari without the road being closed to traffic. None.
CST off? Old tires? I bet one or both. And of course you get the two idiots in the car behind filming and commenting with a laugh and "guess he won't be driving his Ferrari!" So typical.
There were a LOT of one-car incidents in the Challenge with the introduction of the 360C. The aero ground effects of the car that work fine while going forward, don't so much when the car is going sideways. In fact, once the aero force is released, the classic TTO problem is worsened. So, the 360s were harder to catch (as compared to the 355C) once they let go. Cornering grip was significantly improved with the addition of the GT car's splitter and wing aero package. This is not offered to explain this crash, just td80's question. CW
It's a mid engine so into a curve you don't get on the brakes or back off esp. if the rear is starting to come around, you do that before entering. Also it's not a 430,it's a 360.
Makes me think this was supposed to be a "staged" shot, obviously ending horribly wrong, since someone was there basically filming it in HD.
