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  1. masar

    masar Formula 3

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    Looking for lexan windows to replace on my standard Modena. PM me if you would know about any.
     
  2. scottypoz

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    hard to find and expensive, i put them in my challenge car this summer to the tune of about 3 g's, they are not very weather resistant, they dont open very much, and they scratch very easily...just fyi
     
  3. masar

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    #4 masar, Jun 10, 2009
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  4. masar

    masar Formula 3

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    Agree, but the weight loss is quiet significant compare standard glass + they are so f.....g cool :) Just the price is insane, would be great to find some used ones. Are you outside of U.S. ? I heard they are not legal in U.S. even on track ?!
     
  5. balenciaga

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    i almost think this is something that could be fabricated really simply. I am going to look into this
     
  6. chrixxx

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    And check with your Insurance Company if you use the car not only on track. The window can be openend easy from outside. In case of stealing the car the Insurance Company will reducing or cut the refund.
     
  7. Forexpreneur

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    Anyone know how much weight is saved switching to one of these? Wouldn't seem like it would be that much, but then again glass can be quite heavy.
     
  8. cwwhk

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    #9 cwwhk, Jun 11, 2009
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    OEM Lexan window is expensive and scratches easily as others have pointed out. Used ones are usually not in great condition. If used ones came out of 360C then they are fairly old and may have developed many hairline cracks from natural aging. Used ones out of 430C are probably because they'd be a lot newer.

    Why bother with buying used OEM when you can just buy aftermarket pre-curved Lexan with scratch resistant coating, then cut to size using your OEM glass as template. All our 360 and 430 Challenge race cars have OEM Lexan replaced with window cut from thinner aftermarket Lexan sheets. Less than $100/pc material cost. If I recall correctly OEM Lexan is a shade thicker than 5mm. We use 1/8" which is a bit over 3mm on passenger side and 3/16" which is about 4.8mm on driver side to save even more weight.

    Engine cover and rear window are also Lexan on 360C & 430C. And the front glass is Lexan on 430C only.

    Don't bother trying to buy flat Lexan and bend it yourself. Google the topic and you'll find out why that's not really a DIY task.

    Oh yes, Lexan may not be street legal. Check your local regulations.
     
  9. masar

    masar Formula 3

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    That sounds great. So as i understand there is available precurved lexan sheets which have same angle as OEM glass windows? Where can i get them? You also fabricate the whole sliding opening mechanism with small window in midle or you just put the lexan same as OEM standard glass window? I mean, i realy like the sliding thing also :) Do you think i can fabricate also the rear window? I have 360 converted to CS also including engine lid but i have standard glass there which realy bother me since i changed the lid. But that rear lexan is also so expansive......

    BTW i remember you gave me some advices in past regarding F1 system. I started to track car this year a lot and have this question below in 360 section. Maybe you could know some answer.... thanks

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246464
     
  10. balenciaga

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    yea this is exactly what i want to do for the rear window, There are muscle car companys that do this i guess. They told me i just need my glass window to mold it off of
     
  11. balenciaga

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    Also could you get me one of your after market rear lexan windows that you have made ? and how much it would be ?



     
  12. balenciaga

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    Also could you get me one of your after market rear lexan windows that you have made ? and how much it would be ?



     
  13. Challenge64

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    Correct. Not even on the track. The Challenge cars had them removed and replaced with nets.
     
  14. cwwhk

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    #15 cwwhk, Jun 12, 2009
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    Here is a link to Premier Shields where I bought the pre-curved Lexan in US and air freighted to Asia.

    http://www.racingshields.com/products/Products/racing/side/side.htm

    The curvature is not exactly the same as 360C OEM Lexan, but close enough that it fits very well on Challenge cars as they are fixed in place and does not roll down. I don't know how well it will fit a street going 360.

    For the side window we just cut the small hole for ventilation and did not bother to made the small sliding window, as it's extremely hot in Asia where we race and we never close it. In the rain, water won't come in at racing speed. Sliding part is easy enough to make though.

    FYI, street car cannot use the sliding part if you want to be able to roll down your window. The sliding mechanism protrudes and get in the way of the door.

    They also make the front windshield for 360 which is an exact fit. See this link here.

    http://www.racingshields.com/products/Products/racing/windshields/sportscar/sportscar.html

    The front windshield is glued in and also screwed in on the 430C.

    Rear Lexan engine cover for 360C has a little moulded vent for the gearbox oil cooler, but you don't have that cooler on the street car. Other than the moulded air vent the OEM Lexan is actually flat ever where else. So all you need is to buy a flat piece of Lexan. It is also glued in and screwed. It's big enough of a piece that it will follow the slight curve of the engine cover frame.
     
  15. cwwhk

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    We make the parts for our own race team use. You can make your own easily as per links I gave in my other post. Good luck.
     
  16. cwwhk

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    I could be wrong, but I believe that' only in the US. I suppose the rationale is that in the event of accident a fixed driver side Lexan window will impede rescue and extraction of driver from car. That makes sense, but at the same time a net may not stop a smaller piece of debris from impaling me during a crash.

    In European and Asian FIA events driver side Lexan window is allowed.
     
  17. masar

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    Thanks for your advices, i think i know what i will be doing next winter :)
     
  18. cwwhk

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    You are welcome. Good luck in your winter project.

    By the way, all the glass is very high up on the car. So when glass is replaced with Lexan not only is there a substantial weight reduction, car's center of gravity is also lowered. So car will handle noticeably better.
     
  19. balenciaga

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    thanks for your help )
     
  20. modena1_2003

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    So switching to lexan windows would be a suggested performance inhancement for anybody looking to add to the agressivness of their Ferrari? Would legality really be an issue in the US?



    _J
     
  21. Capristo Exhaust USA

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    i have a used one .
    my number is 7708648380
    andre
     
  22. vlamgat

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    I had some made for my 355 by Norwoods in Dallas. A F-Chat sponsor.
     
  23. uss tt

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    Lexan Passenger Windows ARE permitted in Ferrari Challenge, NASA and SCCA...

    Driver Window gets Safety net, and you have to put a secondary Driver net, a la Nascar in the car as well.... but passenger window can remain in tact.
     
  24. Capristo Exhaust USA

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    have a used one if you want $1850
     

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