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360 AGM Battery Size 34R Fitment Question

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  1. jra85

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    #1 jra85, May 28, 2016
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    I need to install a new battery in a Challenge Stradale and purchased a DieHard Gold 34R from my local Sears based on search results from the forum:
    AGM Gold Battery from Sears in a 360? - FerrariChat.com

    However, it seems that it's slightly too tall to fit in the battery compartment without risking the battery terminals/leads coming into contact with the metal horizontal bar that the footrest screws into (see red arrow in picture below; pic is not from the CS but same part). I'm concerned with shorting out the battery (and car) attempting to get the battery fully into its compartment. Additionally, the two threaded rods the bracket attaches to that holds the battery in place don't seem to be long enough to catch the bracket when it's resting on the battery. It just doesn't seem like this battery will work.

    There was previously a lead-acid Interstate MPT-91 battery in the car installed by the dealer years ago, and while that battery is actually the same height as the DieHard, the terminals are slightly recessed on it versus the DieHard which are mounted at the highest point. This difference allowed the Interstate to fit nicely.

    So, has anybody observed these issues with this battery, particularly on a CS, even though I wouldn't think there would be a difference from a regular 360?

    And can anybody recommend an AGM battery with close to the factory CCA that is known to safely fit in the 360 and/or CS?

    Thanks!
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  2. Doctor Mark

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    Interstate has an AGM that fits.
     
  3. rugby

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    Measure the distance from the floor of the battery compartment to the bottom of the horizontal bar. On my Modena it is 9". If your CS is the same, the 8" high Sears battery should go in. It will be a tight fit, so you have to be extremely careful when sliding it in. It's a very bad design. Best thing to do is to keep the protective terminal caps on the battery until the battery is in place.

    If the caps are gone, you can wrap the terminals with black electrical tape, or drape a shop towel across the horizontal bar. Aldous Voicey recommends protecting the terminals with "your daughter's fruit cups" during installation.

    Make sure you kill the battery switch and remove the negative terminal cable first and install it last.

    If the J-hooks are too short, O'Reilley's sells these in various lenghts for a few bucks.
     
  4. mello

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    ... change out those crappy battery connectors while you're at it.
     
  5. Ron328

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    I replaced my Optima Red top in my 360 last February. You are right, it looks like the new ones are ALL are slightly taller and I had to try three 34R size batteries: Duralast, another Optima Red top, and the Diehard Gold pictured above.
    The slight height increase means that it will be difficult to secure the battery with the original J-style hold-down bolt. I had to get a new one measuring 7 inches in length as the original is shorter (you just need to replace 1, not both, and I replaced the one close to the red terminal).
    Once the battery (Diehard Gold) is firmly secured, there is less concern about the horizontal metal bar coming into contact with the battery terminals.
    Good luck. Not an expert here but the aforementioned was my experience.
     
  6. jra85

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    #6 jra85, May 29, 2016
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    Thanks for the feedback all. Following up:

    On my car the distance between the gold-colored battery "shelf" and the lowest point of the metal bar is 8.5", and the height of each battery lead to their highest point (where the wires connect) is 1.5". The DieHard 34R AGM battery is 7" tall to the base of its terminals (8" tall including terminals), which means that this battery with the leads attached will also be 8.5" tall overall, or within millimeters of that.

    So if your 360 has a 9" clearance from the battery shelf to this bar (did you measure from the shelf or the floor?), I guess something must be different in the CS if it only has an 8.5" clearance, though I'm skeptical that the two cars are truly different here. I was debating whether to wrap the battery leads and the foot rest bar in electrical tape to try to get the thing in there safely, but then I have to hope vibration doesn't somehow eventually wear the tape away and cause a short. And, I'd still have to obtain longer J-bolts.

    What is the model number of this battery? Is it the MT7-34R? And if so, did you install it in a 360 or a CS?

    I did notice, at least from pictures online, the MT7-34R has slightly recessed terminals, perhaps a quarter inch below the top, but I don't know what height they start at. The measurements I found for the MT7-34R is 7.75" tall, so it might be slightly shorter than the DieHard 34R.

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    The connectors on my car do not look like that, I just found that pic online.
     
  7. rugby

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    #7 rugby, May 29, 2016
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    I think I am seeing your issue. The problem is not so much the height of the battery, it is the position of the terminals on the very front edge of the battery case, right under the horizontal bar.

    I have a YellowTop which is 7.75" tall and although the tops of the terminals are almost 1" below the horizontal bar, the L-shaped cable connectors protrude just over the top edge of the horizontal bar. But because the terminals are about 2" away from the front edge to ward the centerline of the case, the protruding connectors are well away from the horizontal bar.

    If you wanted to use the battery you bought, you may try to install it turned around so that the terminals are on the side toward the front of the car. There should be enough slack in the cabling to reroute the positive and negative terminals. My cabling is actually rerouted that way, the positive connector is toward the driver side of the car.

    Or you could get something like the YellowTop, with reverse posts to accommodate your existing cabling orientation. That one definitely fits.
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  8. 348 Turbo

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    Oddly, Tractor supply carries the correct battery as well. Who'd have thunk it?
     
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  9. jra85

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    Just to give a conclusion on this for future forum reference, I ended up returning the 34R battery because it just wasn't going to fit nicely or easily. After speaking to one of the Sears Auto employees, he recommended I try a Size 48 battery instead (his battery reference documentation actually stated that a Size 48 should be used for a Ferrari 360 rather than a 34R). Coincidentally, I checked the old lead-acid Interstate battery that I removed from the car and it was actually a 48 as well!

    The DieHard 48 Gold (Link: DieHard Gold AGM Size 48) is still an AGM battery, but unlike the 34R the terminals are recessed into the battery, which gave some much needed additional clearance to connect the leads without risk of them shorting against the horizontal foot rest bar. It's also about 0.5" shorter overall, yet the width is the same and fits perfectly in the battery compartment. The terminals are still in the "correct" position (negative left, positive right) as well.

    The 48's CCA rating of 760 (ignore the "700" shown in the website pic, it's 760) is slightly lower than the 34R's rating of 775, and it's 4.5 lbs heavier, but in my opinion both are insignificant trade-offs for the better fit in the compartment. Surprisingly, the lead acid Interstate that was in the car actually had a CCA rating of 500, which seemed very low for this car but somehow worked without issue for years.

    With all that said, even with the slightly shorter height of the Size 48 battery, the J-hooks in my car still were not long enough to reach the restraining bar and were flush with the bar when placed through the holes. Rather than find longer hooks, which from my observation could potentially prevent the footrest from being able to attach flush, I bent the ends of the restraining bar just enough to catch the lock nuts and get enough turns on them to keep the battery secured. Not the most ideal solution, but unfortunately I don't think I was going to find an AGM battery with similar power ratings that would fit much better than this.
     
  10. anconbrat

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    Suggest you give Odyssey PC925 a looksee. Smaller and lighter, good cold starting amps. Very happy with mine (third year).
     
  11. sammyf

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    Just had to replace the battery in my 2000 360 Modena. After much research (including the physical dims of the battery in Aldous's article), the size that we need is here in the USA is BCI Group 48 or European DIN H6/L3.

    I picked up this Champion AGM 48/H6/L3 Battery (760 CCA) at my local PepBoys for $189 + 20% discount (if you order via their website). Perfect fitment and clearance, no troubles with with the tie-down bar.

    PepBoys website will tell you to use a BCI Group: 24F if you use their configurator which is totally WRONG! Instead input 2009 BMW M3 and this correct size battery will show up.
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  12. f355spider

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    Interesting...the East Penn Group 48 AGM, Champion AGM, Duracell Platinum 48 AGM and Sears DieHard Advanced Gold all have identical dimensions and case design...must all be manufactured by East Penn.
     
  13. RedNeck

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    I almost bought the same battery, until I noticed the issue. My car had an interstate and I was always freaked out about how close the terminals were to the bar. I even put some autozone plastic covers on them. After that, I got this. No height issues whatsoever, I just had to modify the hold-down.

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  14. sammyf

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    In the original resolution picture, it clearly says Distributed by Johnson Controls and the small white label says Made in Germany. Is that East Penn?
     

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  15. bellwilliam

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    I just got Interstate MT7-48/h6 AGM battery for my 430
    perfect fit. and 48 month free replacement warranty.
     
  16. f355spider

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    Yes, Johnson Controls is owned by East Penn. Johnson Controls was (is still?) the oem supplier of starting batteries for BMW.
     
  17. Ballvice

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    just adding to this thread too - DO NOT buy the 34R-PC1500 - it will NOT fit - it is too tall AND too deep. The cross bar that the foot well pad connects to runs right over top of the terminal posts and it is WAY TO TALL to be safe.... don't do it ----
     
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  18. f355spider

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    Yes, good to have confirmation. Some group 34R will not fit the 360/430 and it has been posted previously that the Group 48 is a better choice as it is a bit shorter.
     
  19. Ballvice

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    yeah - i saw a few threads and bit the bullet - SHAME SHAME SHAME on me for NOT going to the Odyssey website - they CLEARLY state the correct model - TOTALLY on me - but wanted to bounce this so others can learn from my mistake ---

    ALWAYS double check ;) - I violate my own rule! LOL


    Model #: 48-720
     
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    I have the 34r-pc1500T and it’s tight, but it does fit. I changed my terminal clamps to aftermarket ones with plastic covers so there are no dangers of shorting to the bar. The pc925 DID NOT work well, as it deep discharged after only a few days off the tender. Odyssey states this battery is way too small for our application.

    the website must have changed if it’s stating the 48 group, I specifically remember talking to them AND checking the website and both stated the 34 was the correct model.
     
  21. RossoC360

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    I also just installed a new Odyssey 34R-PC1500T during a service in my 360 spider and it fit without any modification or concern at all.
     
  22. Ballvice

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    Mind posting a picture? I’m wondering if there is more than one size...
     
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  24. Ballvice

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    interesting. YouRs seem to fit in further then mine - and I’m all the way to the back of the bottom battery slot.
    I think getting the terminal cover may be the ticket. I’m going to see if I can find one and also will take the bar with a layer of Electrical tape on the positive end to reduce the possibility of contact.

    Will work on it and post pics tomorrow.
     
  25. f355spider

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    You could also try covering the bar with black plastic split loom like car stereo shops use? Or pipe insulation foam?
     

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