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  1. traimpz348

    traimpz348 Formula 3

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    Just curious. Not that I care all that much, but what's the deal with 0-60 time with the 348. I've seen times quoted as high as 6 seconds and as low as 5.3

    I don't want to drag the car, I was just curiuos as to how so many different resources can come up with such different figures. I'm noticing that too with the F430 now as well. I've seen as low as 3.6 and as high as 4.2.

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. PassionIsFerrari

    PassionIsFerrari Formula 3

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    5.6....some say 5.5
     
  3. burriana

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    It is supposed to be 5.5 but I saw in another Ferrari book 5.3, it all depends how fast you are with your clutch and gear changes.

    In reality you will not notice much difference between a 348 at 5.5 and a 355 at 4.8.

    My Griffith 500 was 4.1, but getting the grip down... I bet the 348 is actually faster to 60.
     
  4. Joe G.

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    i had one and it was 6 seconds
    i couldn't get into the fives
     
  5. BT

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    It is not a drag car. You can light the tires up nicely from a standstill, but the soft rubber that is typically on these cars will produce little to no smoke / sound. I did several hard starts in a row going home the other night and after about 4-5 of them you could definitely smell the clutch a little. Driving the car it feels like a 6 second car, riding in it feels like a mid-5 second car.
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  6. livingthedream

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    The original manual I have for the 348 Serie Speciale states 5.3. But that is with a slightly boosted horsepower and a few other minor mods. from the standard 348......
     
  7. damcgee

    damcgee Formula 3

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    I haven't ridden in a 348, so can't call BS from experience, but this does not sound accurate. I have ridden into a 355 up through 130+ mph, and I have a hard time believing that the 348, with only 80% of the 355's hp (and with test numbers that would seem to verify that horsepower differential), would feel just as fast.

    I've driven the 280hp Boxster S, and the 325 hp 911, and I noticed a DRASTIC difference in their acceleration.
     
  8. No Doubt

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    It's a gated shift. Nail your shifts at 7700 rpms and you'll hit 5.3 to 60 in 2nd gear. But a little less than perfection (did I mention that it's a gated shift?!) and you could be in the six second range in 3rd!
     
  9. 95spiderman

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    348 spider tested 5.5 in numerous magazine tests. my personal 95 spider does 5.9 on tazzo analyzer with me keeping in mind $ of drivetrain repairs. limiting factor is slow tranny with dog leg 1st gear. this is why 996 is faster 0-60 despite similar hp and weight.
     
  10. No Doubt

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    That sounds right. You've *really* got to hammer a 348 to hit 60 in 5.3...perfect launch, perfect shift, etc. Seldom worth it.

    5.5 to 5.9 seconds, though...ordinary mortals can hit those figures time and again.

    It's also worth keeping in mind that the 348's have a variety of final drive ratios. That has an enormous bearing on 0 to 60 times, even if you are nailing the shift and launch.

    Some final drive ratios are faster than others, all other things being equal on the 348. Thinner oils are faster, too. 5W30 Red Line puts more horsepower to the rear wheels than Shell 20W-50.

    20W-50 is for running at high rpms for long periods of time (i.e. racing)...you get maximum protection from the thicker oil

    5W-30 is for low temperature daily commutes (perhaps even a stop-light to stop-light blast under some conditions). You get less engine wear at startup and more horsepower to the rear wheels with 5W-30 (at least, from Red Line).

    Trade-offs. Know your driving style and pick the right oil...and keep in mind that oil choice will impact your 0 to 60 times if you are running at the limit.
     
  11. burriana

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    So there you go Traimpz - lots of different factors but in general you will find a 348 to be a low-mid 5 second car.

    My Spider runs about 340bhp with decats and Tubi so may be low 5s, and standard TS may be mid 5s... but in reality very few people would notice any difference.

    My rough guide in overall performance was "will it be faster than an M3 BMW?" and it is.

    Interesting point about the oil, never considered that one before.
     
  12. patpong

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    How do they come up with the number??? I always wonder. Do they take off spining wheels?...
     
  13. Smiles

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    Is that true? Is there a simple way to visually check which ratio a particular car has?
     
  14. traimpz348

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    Thanks for all your input.
     
  15. Smiles

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    Once again, did 348's really come with different final drive ratios?
    That doesn't sound right to me...
     
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  18. No Doubt

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    The 1994 348 Spiders have a 4.34 to 1 final drive ratio.

    The 1993 348 TS's have a final drive ratio of 3.53 to 1 (click here: http://maximum-cars.com/Cars/Car.php?carnumber=337 ).

    The 1992 & 1993 Ferrari 348 tb and ts Serie Speciale had their rear track widened by 50mm from 1578mm to 1628mm by adding 25mm of offset to each wheel, and their final drive was shortened from 26/27 on the earlier cars to 25/29 on the SS. A taller fifth gear was fitted (early cars having p/n 70000592), to maintain top speed with the new lower main gear installed (click here: http://www.ferrariclub.com/faq/348versions.html ).

    The 1990 348 TB's have a final drive ratio of 3.56 to 1 (click here: http://www.*************/cars/564.html ).
     
  19. Smiles

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    Thank you very much, No Doubt, on your well-informed reply. I appreciate it.
     
  20. jjstecher

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    My results are 5.7 seconds on both GTech v1 and v2 at 7700 in second gear and you must nail the rev limiter in 1st on the shift otherwise you are at 5.9-6.1

    Updates 1990 348TS with no-cats, Tubi, Powerchips, OMP seats, NGK Iridum plugs, Magnacore wires on btoh Gtech v1 and v2 is 5.2-5.3 if you once again abuse the rev limiter in both gears.

    However the car is not a drag racing car and I get my jollies off of the 2nd to 3rd shift on a track after apexing a nice tight turn as there is no dog leg and by the time you are done you are over 100mph. :)
     
  21. No Doubt

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    I don't think that my 1994 348 Spider will be seeing 0-60 in 5.2!

    But, it has 312 stock HP and a 4.34 to 1 final drive (and a slickshift gate), so it can hit 5.3 if I really, really abuse it...which is to say, it's good to know that I can do it, though I'm not going to be doing it much.
     
  22. burriana

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    So, and pardon my lay persons ignorance here, what real world difference does that equate to? Is 4.34 the slighter longer legged, and hence higher top speed I presume?
     
  23. No Doubt

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    The higher the number (within reason) of the final drive ratio, the quicker the acceleration (and the more shifts that you'll make).
     
  24. burriana

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    So that applies to all gears? :confused:

    I thought by "final" drive, it related to the top gear ratio.

    I think I'll stick to simple MPH and seconds :D
     
  25. No Doubt

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    Right. The "final drive" affects all gears, reverse, first, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th. The "final drive" is in the differential gearing as it splits power between the left and right rear wheels, as opposed to your transmission gears that select a gear ratio prior to the differential (though in the 348 it's somewhat all lumped together in one giant unit).

    A larger # final drive means quicker acceleration in all gears. A taller gear itself would somewhat counteract a larger final drive #.
     

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