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328 leaking cam seal housing

Discussion in '308/328' started by Iain, Nov 25, 2012.

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  1. Iain

    Iain F1 Rookie

    Jan 21, 2005
    3,302
    UK
    I have a small oil leak which I am pretty sure is the o ring oil seal round the outside of a cam seal housing (its not the cam seal, the end of the camshaft is dry where it comes through the seal).

    Needless to say its the front bank exhaust cam :(

    Car had new cam seals & O rings 18 months ago. I doubt the thing is torn/nicked but obviously oil has got behind it & once that happens it just keeps on flowing I would think.

    ISTR putting a light smear of oil on the things to help them into place when I installed them - they were quite a tight fit & I didn't want to catch/tear/nick it - so it seemed like a good idea at the time - but maybe it wasn't? :(

    Its not dripping a lot but obviously its close to a belt & pretty much above the alternator. So on the basis that these things only ever (eventually) get worse do I

    a) just leave it & keep it as clean as possible

    b) take the cam cover off & attempt to clean the O-ring by rotating it in situ& break the oil film/flush it out with some kind of solvent/cleaner & then hope it re-seals.

    c) Go the whole nine yards & take the cam out & replace it (which means taking the AC compressor & belt cover off etc & replacing (both) the cam belts & all the V belts too I guess.

    This time there is not even a nice list of "while you're in there" to make it worthwhile going in - the valve clearances were all checked & seals/belts/gaskets etc all replaced last year.
     
  2. Fairview

    Fairview Formula 3

    Mar 16, 2009
    1,109
    Waynesboro, Virginia
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    Jeff Ward
    Ian,

    Last year I had a problem with new cam cover gaskets shrinking enough to allow leaks near each end of the camshaft. The material shrunk enough to actually elongate the holes for the cam cover studs. Are yours a black/dark gray material, or green material? Mine were black/dark gray, supplied by a major supplier. I posted about the problem at the time, the supplier saw the post and refunded my purchase price. If yours were supplied about 18 months ago, that is almost exactly when I purchased mine.

    I replaced my cam cover gaskets with the green material and no leaks at all now.

    Jeff
     
  3. Iain

    Iain F1 Rookie

    Jan 21, 2005
    3,302
    UK
    I neglected to mention that I'd replaced the cam cover gaskets again earlier this year for exactly this reason (except that mine just generally leaked along the bottom edge and round the spark plug holes on both banks). What were grey gaskets when I installed them were soaked through & black with oil. I replaced them with green ones (very carefully!)

    I probably had the current issue at the same time & didn't realise it/spot it - I'm pretty sure its not the gaskets this time.
     
  4. PV Dirk

    PV Dirk F1 Veteran

    Jul 26, 2009
    5,401
    Ahwatukee, AZ
    I would think the o ring would not rotate, it is compressed slightly I think by the cam being bolted in. Between the o ring and the gasket is a common leak location. The gasket is supposed to be trimmed slightly away from the o ring so during any expansion, contraction, compression of installation, the gasket will not cut the o ring, then in that tiny gap a dab of sealant should be installed.

    Your choice on how you feel about the leak. How often you do your cam belts. If you are 1.5 years from new cam belts you might keep it clean, if you are 3.5 years from cam belts or more it would be nice to not have to worry about the leak. I would pull the cam cover and see what you have before making the decison on pulling the cam or not.

    I seem to recall hearing that the chemical makeup of that o ring has changed over the years and none available today seal as well as they used to. FWIW.
     
  5. Iain

    Iain F1 Rookie

    Jan 21, 2005
    3,302
    UK
    The O rings (and seals) came from Hills so they are the brown (Viton?) ones. I cut the gasket short & applied some RTV at the junction to the O-ring so Id be reasonably confident its not that - but you never know.

    Pretty sure you can rotate the O ring when its installed - ISTR Rifle driver mentioning that he'd replaced them in situ by cutting the thing & then feeding it through & leaving the joint at the top.

    (indeed : http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134774587&postcount=12 - the housings seals & O rings on a 328 are exactly the same as the 348)
     
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  6. rw328

    rw328 Rookie

    Mar 20, 2005
    26
    San Jose Calif.
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    Roger Winslow
    Had the same problem after my last major two years ago. The rear cam seal started leaking just a drop at a time, but it leaked onto the exhaust and the burning smell was making me sick. Debated redoing the seal, but decided to try another approach, if it didn't work I could always replace the seal.
    I decided to seal the cam with silicon from the outside. Since the entire cam seam cannot be reached from the top I had to raise the car on jacks. I let the car sit for a couple of days to let as much oil out of the seam as possible. I then used a can of Berrymens Chem- tool in the spray can to clean the cam surface and seam area. (you can probably use a spray can of brake cleaner) I repeated this four or five times to make sure all oil residue had been removed
    from the surfaces, both top, bottom and in between. I then put some oil resistant silicon sealant on my finger and forced the sealant into the cam seam from both the top and bottom. I let this dry for a day and then put another coat on the next day and let it dry. That was six months and still no leak. The sealant is silver in color and you barely notice it.
     
  7. Iain

    Iain F1 Rookie

    Jan 21, 2005
    3,302
    UK

    Thanks, its an idea & as you say, if it didn't work then I could always just take the thing apart & replace it.

    That said, its the front bank exhaust cam - so without taking the AC compressor off etc access is almost impossible & by the time I've done that......
     
  8. rw328

    rw328 Rookie

    Mar 20, 2005
    26
    San Jose Calif.
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    Roger Winslow
    Sorry, I've been gone a couple of days. But to answer your concerns, you don't have to remove anything to make the repair I described.
    Remember the car is on jack stands so you can reach up to the seal area. With a good light you can see the under side of the cam seal. First clean the top side as far back as you can, then go underneath, reach up and clean the bottom side up as far as you can. This is mostly done by touch. Repeat until things are good and clean. Then with some silicon on your finger reach up and apply as far as you can reach around the cam( work it in) then back up to the top and apply on the top side as far back as you can. My total time was about an hour and a half. One thing to make it easier is to use the small tube on the spray cleaner to direct your cleaner right on the cam seal gap.
     

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