as i own both, i will try to tell you my personal evaluating test. beauty: GTB 10, GTS 9. I have to say the GTB is even better looking than the gorgeous GTS. body stiffness: GTB 9, GTS 6. Many tremors with the GTS on bad surfaces. GTB is ok. Appeal and charme: GTB 8, GTS 10. Magnum P.I. had the GTS! driver's room and comfort (6' 0" driver): GTB 6, GTS 9. Not enough head room in the GTB and hot in summer. Ok without the roof in the GTS. Relax and pleasure in everyday driving: GTB 6, GTS 10. No game here. Emotion while pushing hard: GTB 9, GTS 8. GTB has more racing sensations. Total Score: GTB 48, GTS 52. So what's better? Who knows, but driving the GTS without the roof is priceless. Ciao.
Could you elaborate on "Relax and pleasure in everyday driving: GTB 6, GTS 10. No game here." Why such a difference?
That's just my personal sentation: in the GTS you can relax and go around at slow speed without the roof just listening to the engine voice and watching around the landscape. In the GTB i feel caged in a race car that just wants to be driven at high speed on a track. As stated, that's just my personal sensation (and evaluation), but the GTS is more relaxing as you can go for a trip with your wife and she will be happy too. With the GTB my wife is not happy at all. ciao
I don't feel caged at all in my 328 GTB (I'm 6'1 but I fit perfectly), but she sure begs to be driven hard...much more than my 328 GTS does. The feeling is completly different. Rgds
I wrote my "evaluation test" just to share my impression and to learn what others think about 328 GTB vs. 328 GTS, not to say "that's the truth". So your opinions are welcome and appreciated: maybe they are more shared than mine! Do your own comparison and write it! I can fit in the GTB, but i have to angle a lot backwards the back of the driving seat, so i do not like the driving position. ciao
Alberto, I have already written a LOT about the differences between the two cars on this forum, I won't be doing it again...that wouldbe repeating myself too much. I have two standard euro 328 (= both 3,2 litres; no turbo), both build in 1989, separated by five weeks on the production chain. To me, the two versions are so different that they do not serve the same purpose; but they do rather complement one another; they cannot really be compared, in fact in a way, it is not the same car. Rgds
Very interesting: is there any specific discussion? i would appreciate a lot to read it, so may i have the link? thanks! 100% agree. ciao
Alberto, See for instance post 24 and 26 in this thread three years ago: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/308-328/329240-have-430-but-dreaming-328-a-2.html but there are a few others! I won't say more for the fear of boring other people with the same things again and again... Rgds
I read your posts and confirm that my experience with 89. S and B is identical to yours, except the lack of head room drove me nutty, so I sold the Euro B I had. My friend still has her GTS. though. Strangely I have no head room problem with my glass 308
Thanks, Nerofer. ---------------------------------- Hardtop: I have been trying to tell people this for years. Most seem to think they will only tell the difference on a track. But the difference is anything but subtle. I can tell in the first 25 feet of movement. I think if more people got to actually drive a B, they would be much more popular. Dave ----------------------------------- Nerofer: Dave, I fully agree; anybody driving the "S" and the "B" on the same day will be able to tell these are different cars. To be fair to the cars, it is better that the comparison is done with same suspension variant: ie, either a "B" and a "S" with the "first" suspension variant, or both with the "second" (= post 76626) variant. Both my cars are late production (post 80500); and anybody, I mean any driver of whichever abilities, can tell the "B" and the "S" are giving you a very different driving experience. Even my wife prefers driving the "B"...but the "B" tends to make me (and her, too!) a bit overconfident, it simply makes you more enthusiastic. And when you brings the car home, its always as the car is saying to you "come on, is this all you can do? you should be able to drive me much better than that; I still have a lot to offer". Perhaps the small numbers of people that have actually driven a "B" in the United States is simply due to the rarity of the machine? I mean, as far as I know, the U.S got the majority of the 6000 + GTS produced, whereas the vast majority of the 1344 "B" produced stayed in Europe. Looking at the ads on the net, the "B" is indeed very rare in the US, whereas here in Europe I would say the balance is more or less one "B" for two "S", so the "B" is not rare at all here. I intend to keep both my "B" and my "S", for different reasons, as underlined by "mustardfj40". But the "B" and the "S" are indeed different animals; and to be fair to the 328 design overall, when speaking about roadholding and handling abilities, then the "B" is the better version, no doubt about it; and no need to track the car for experiencing that, either. To all the 328 drivers that have not yet experienced a "B": do it ASAP! This is no disrespect to the "S", but the "B" is a step further as far as driving pleasure counts. Let's be realistic, we are talking about a 25 year old design, so we are not in 430 territory...but the 328 GTB is indeed "sharper" than the "S". Best -------------------------------- I just learned everything you can tell about the GTB Vs. GTS was already written on those two posts! Ok, that's all. I would like just to add this: if you can have just one, choose the GTS. If you can have both, you cannot miss the GTB, a fantastic car. And, if you find one, buy the turbo intercooler too, that increases the "race car sensation" that GTB can offer. If everyone had drove a GTB turbo intercooler, i think prices of the intercooled 328 GTB will double quickly. ciao
Well no, Emilio... Alberto's car is a "Turbo": this is the last iteration, with Intercooler: that is the equivalent of the 328, with the 328 body. a "208 GTB Turbo" is the one before, without intercooler, the equivalent of the 308 GTB Quattrovalvole, with a 308 body. Rgds
correct. I would like to have a 208 GTB turbo too, even if the engine is not even close the intercooled version. The engine upgrade from turbo to turbo intercooler is like from the 2 valve injected 308 to the 328 (and a big increase in reliability too). The Turbo intercooler is often called "328 turbo" even if that's not the correct name. ciao
I found that adding an extension to the steering wheel in 328s greatly improved the driving position. I think Hill Engineering sells them. The seats and position in 308s are different, and I never needed an extension in those. Dave
Interesting to hear there's such a lack of headroom in a 328 GTB. Is it the different seat design from the 308? I know when I compare headroom in my 308 GTB with a 308 GTS with the top on, the GTB actually has more headroom. Then when you take the top off the GTS, headroom is not an issue, but the driving position is compromised because you have to move the seat forward. For me, there's more room in the GTB.
[pedant] As you're talking about the 328 GTB Vs the 328 GTS: Magnum never drove a 328 GTS , he only ever drove 308 GTS' [/pedant]
Funny you should ask. Many years ago, I owned a QV GTB and 328 GTB at the same time---briefly. I knew something was different, so I got out a tape measure. When I measured the distance between the junction of the seat backs and roof, 308s had about an extra inch IIRC. Eyeballing it showed that the 328 seat was a little higher off the floor. The cushion wasn't any thicker. Another difference was the seat bottom of 308s are longer offering more thigh support and the front of the bottom is higher in 308s. 328 seats are relatively flat in comparison. I actually preferred the 308 seats myself, but 328s are much better overall. Dave