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328 cylinder head problem

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by 328Matt, Feb 16, 2005.

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  1. 328Matt

    328Matt Karting

    Dec 3, 2003
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    Lymm,Cheshire
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    Matt
    I have an ex dubai 89 328 gts. It went in yesterday for full belt service including valve clearances etc. Had a phone call this morning from my mechanic saying a few other jobs need doing such as bent brake pipe, cam seal replacement and interior lights. However this afternoon things got serious! He rang again and said while the cams were out for the valve clearance job he noticed damage to the front cylinder head.He said a cam cap was damaged.I think he said it was one furthest from the oil feed. He wants me to go and look at it tommorrow to see for myself. He has worked on loads of 328's and never seen this before. I have the history and there is no mention of trouble in this area before-i have had it for 2 years and it has just hit 40,000 km. He says that i can try and find a second hand head or buy new if the current one is unable to be repaired by an engineer.At present i am hoping a repair is possible(he thinks it is), but will have to wait for the engineer to assess it.I don't want to go the second hand route because i will not know prior use or previous damage/repair.I did phone Ferrari uk for a price on a new one-£1350.00, which was better than i expected. My guy thinks he can get the head off without taking the engine out and a best case scenario is a repair to the current head whilst leaving the engine in situ.He has quoted about 18 hours labour, plus the cost of the service£1600 ish plus the repair to the head plus about £200 of new gaskets. Has anyone had a problem like this? Also can he get the front head off without removing the engine? What is the purpose of this cam cap? i have noticed nothing untoward while driving it.What damage could occur if it had gone un noticed and finally how does damage to it occur? Any response would be great as i have a few sleepless nights in front of me......thanks for your time.
     
  2. Corsa

    Corsa Karting

    Nov 1, 2003
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    Stockholm
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    Peter
    Is it the oil plug at the end of the camshaft?
    The camshafts are drilled (lighter) and the bearings are fed with oil from inside of the cam (...I was told, but I don't know how the oil is fed into the shaft??). I have also lost a cam plug but no damage was done either on the head- or cam bearing. I suppose there are a few plugs that can be found in the head so you better check that when you remove the cam cover...
     
  3. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 29, 2004
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    It is pointless to try and second guess your mans opinion without seeing the damage in person.

    I have seen damage as described and is usually coincident to overheating, loss of lubricant etc.

    The important thing now is the repair. Sometimes even though it looks very bad the damage is in reality minor and can be easily repaired in the car. Unless it is very very badly damaged it might be able to be fixed in the car anyway if the proper tools are available. Ferrari back in the 80's produced a cam bearing reamer that I have used many times to repair heads damaged in that and other fashions. It may be too long to get in place on a 328 however, even if he has one at his disposal.

    The next option is removal and repair. The heads will come off that motor in the car with one caveat. On a car that old they may be stuck on the studs to the degree that motor removal will be required. There is a very real chance of that. It is hard to imagine that the damage is severe enough to warrant replacement of the head. I use a machine shop that used to advertise they could repair any head that was still in one piece. The value of any Ferrari head suggests that even very severe damage could be repaired before replacement became an economic need.
     
  4. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    Nov 29, 2001
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    It can be repaired but the head has to come off. A competent machine shop can do this but they will charge $500 for a single cam cap repair. It may involve a custom machining of a tool to do this so the labor is quite a bit.
     
  5. KurtK328

    KurtK328 Formula Junior

    Mar 6, 2001
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    Villeneuve-Loubet, France
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    Kurt Kjelgaard
    Any pictures?
     
  6. 328Matt

    328Matt Karting

    Dec 3, 2003
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    Lymm,Cheshire
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    Matt
    I went to see the damage for myself the other day.On the front bank of cylinders on the far right side (as you look at the car) was the damaged cam cap.It didnt look much to me but my mechanic assured me it was! There was a far from mirror finish to both the cap and the head.The cam itself seemed slightly marked but he tells me it is made of harder material than both the head and cap so will polish out. Luckily he did have enough access to get the head off without engine removal so i am thankful for that! The head has had some work done at an engineers but the mech is taking it to another firm of engineers for a second opinion. I just hope i don't have to go through the new parts ordering ordeal! He has taken plenty of pictures and put them on disc for me so i will post when he is finished. Other than that i just want the car back and to drive the hell out of the thing!One interesting point he made was that how far out the valve clearances were. I was told that as long as they were quiet, the car didnt need them doing-mine was quiet and around 10-12 of them were well out so i am glad i had it done.By the way thanks for the advice.
     
  7. 328Matt

    328Matt Karting

    Dec 3, 2003
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    Matt
    Just heard my mech thinks the old head and cam cap will be ok.They have been polished and are a lot better than when i last saw them.He cannot guarantee it 100% though but says if i do 500-1000 miles and bring it back, he can whip the cam covers off and check the caps condition.As a precaution he is changing the thermostat on the water temperature and replacing the fan switch to guard against the engine getting too hot.Hope this is the last of it........
     
  8. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    You are fortunate your mechanic adjusted the valves instead of listening to the bad advice you recieved. It is B.S. to determine the need for an adjustment by noise.
     

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