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  1. Aardy

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    There is a rear pic in the 1968-69-70 yearbook and I can't see any "PROVA MO"...
     
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  5. tomgt

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    can anyone explain this:

    312P 0870 converted to a spyder in a ± week time
    Raced at the Nürburgring in 1969 and showed a week later up at scrutineering at Le Mans (so coachwork, paint and transport from Maranello to Le Mans; how to get that work and transport in a ±week done)
    An engineer of Bardinon told that 0870 was built for Le Mans and did not race prior to Le Mans....it was built as a berlinetta.
    What to believe.
     
  6. GIOTTO

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    After #0868 (n°2) was crashed at Monza, a new car was built for Le Mans as berlinetta #0872 (n°19). They had plenty of time to build it. So if Bardinon's #0870 was n°18 at Le Mans, that engineer (?) is wrong.
    On the berlinetta with the unpainted roof tested in Modena you can see the remains of the n°8 from Spa (#0870 ?) as well as the Koni sticker. Looks like a n°2 on the door (Monza). And Spa was one month before Le Mans. After that test, they removed the roof again and entered the car at the Nürburgring (n°7). I think it wasn't a big job to convert the spider into a berlinetta. And the rear covers must have been ready for LM a while back.

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  7. Bob Zambelli

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    Back in the 80s, I accompanied a Mr Conway to Fracios Sicard's shop to pick up parts of a 312 P.
    I don't remember too much about it but as I recall, it had a "helmet bubble" in the roof to clear the helmet of a tall driver, possibly Dan Gurney.
    I'm not sure how much work was accomplished by Mr Conway but at some point, he sold it to Mr Sachs.
    Anyone know the story of this particular car?
     
  8. gablet

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    Hi all,
    apologies in advance for the little off-topic question: does anyone have a picture of the area behind driver's seat to share? I am interested in seeing how the engine is attached to the chassis in that area and also its oil outlets/inlets.
    Many thanks in advance for the help!
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  9. GIOTTO

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    The 312P with the bubble on the roof was #0872. Now restored and in Switzerland. #0870 is still in the Bardinon collection.
     
  10. miurasv

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    Re 0872, bubble was for Mike Parkes.

    Are the chassis, engine and transaxle all original to 0872?
     
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    Did Mr Sachs ever restore the car?
     
  12. readplays

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    Yes. Some years back.
     
  13. Marcel Massini

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    Yes and it is factory certified as well.

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    Thank you.
     
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    Do you know if 0872 has its original body and if not what happened to it?
     
  16. Marcel Massini

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    0872 has two new sets of bodywork, both Spider and Berlinetta, and remaining old bodywork as well.

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    Thank you for your answer and picture, Marcel. Do you know if the original body is alloy or GRP and materials of new bodies? Sorry for so many Qs.
     
  18. Marcel Massini

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    New ones super lightweight GRP.

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  19. tomgt

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    Front and rear clamshells originally made from grp reinforced with aluminium sheet.
    Rivets and some welds can be seen on the original clips.
     
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  20. BMWairhead

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    I saw the remake of this car at the Portland Historics in 2009...even less to do with 0872. I have pictures somewhere, but who knows where. It claimed to be the Flying Shingle...and at some level, I guess it was...?
     
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    This car was dubbed the “Flexible Flyer”. Chassis was built by Wayne Sparling and for a time used the engine, gearbox and suspension from 0872. All of those components were returned to the original 0872 chassis seen above.

    The “Flying Shingle” was a completely different car, the Ken Miles 1954 MG R2.
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    Interesting. The placard with the car referred to it as the Flying Shingle. Barchetta does, too.
     
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    Flying shingle has been the accepted nickname for the car born via the tub made by Wayne Sparling in Florida for Chinetti with bits of 0872. Perhaps some English contraption shared the same name but they failed to patent it:)

    It survives in the US with a 330 GT engine but 99% of the bits of 0872 were acquired by Peter Sachs and his engineer when they were rebuilding 0872, apart he said of the Marchal headlights but this info is over a decade obsolete so maybe the lights were obtained in the end.

    Since this is a read when stuck at home time see my definitive article on the three 312P's 1969 in Cavallino magazine issues 99 and 101 (1997), 15 pages with interviews of every driver and engineer I could get hold of, including Chris Amon (had to wake at 3am due to the time difference for the phone interview) Mario Andretti, David Piper etc, clarifying some misunderstandings.

    0872 was supposed to have a shakedown in Italy in May but it may have to be elsewhere and later for obvious reasons.

    0870 however is under legal quarantine (predating by months or years the CV quarantine) under judge's orders at Mas du Clos, St Avit de Tardes, Creuse, France, in no danger of catching the virus;-)
     
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