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308 GT4 console removal

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  1. GT4andMore

    GT4andMore Karting

    Oct 23, 2020
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    Hi, first post from me having recently acquired UK, RHD, 308GT4, reg UYR4S, chassis 13838 from Nickt - long standing member of this forum. Over the years Nick has done much of the work to keep the car running sweetly so I thought I would kick off ownership with a refurb of the cabin.

    I am trying to remove the centre console which from the pics many people have done but which I cannot find explained step by step on the forum. I have removed the seats, rear seats, smaller front section of console, disconnected the choke cable, seat belts etc and self tap screws and can lift the console clear however I cannot clear the handbrake (my handbrake boot is sewn in) or the gear selector.

    1 - do I just need to jiggle and wiggle more enthusiastically or am I doomed to fail without removing the gear selector or something more significant.

    2 - I suspect both the handbrake and gear selector are 40 years old and have never been serviced so my instinct is to remove the gear selector using the 4 bolts at the base, disconnect it from the linkage via the split pin and service it while I have everything out. Is that a crazy idea or a job worth doing while I have the console out.

    Probably lots more to come. I guess the journey starts here.

    Thanks in advance

    Graham
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  2. kiwiokie

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    I have removed and installed a few times with handbrake and gear selector in place. Assuming you have removed the metal shift gate and shift knob you should not have any problems getting it over the shifter. Found it easiest in neutral. The hand brake needs to be moved up or down during the removal to get the leather boot over. Have you disconnected the choke cable? That is the most likely thing to get hung up.


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  3. GT4andMore

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    Thanks - just picked this up on my way out to the garage for a Sunday afternoon of fiddling. I have done all you suggest so was going to remove the radio - which needs to come out anyway - in order to lighten things up a little and reduce any possible cabling issues. Really appreciate the encouragement.
     
  4. kiwiokie

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    If your car has AC you might also want to remove the AC temp control knob/mechanism as it has a copper line attached that runs to the evaporator that could snag on something. There is a small set screw in the knob and a shallow nut that holds the mechanism in place.


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  5. kiwiokie

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    All other switches are electrical and should have enough play in wiring loom to lift console up and disconnect.


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  6. GT4andMore

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    OK - all done.

    As above - first removed self tappers, rear seats, front console section, seat belts, gear knob and gate and then lifted console to be able to release choke cable

    Key to this afternoon's success was to remove lower section of dash containing air vents and duct - which could do with a refurb anyway

    This enabled the console to move forward and roll into drivers footwell to rest against clutch pedal

    A little fettling required to clear the gear lever within the console and then let the gear lever pass under the metal support for the front ashtray

    All cabling was then long enough for the console to lie in the passenger footwell. The shortest cable was an earth strap running down to the gear selector.

    Yes - it has AC and the line looks fragile but did not catch.

    Will try to post some pics in the next post in case it helps for future reference.

    Thanks for the encouragement and advice on the first major piece of surgery and the first post on the forum.

    Graham
     
  7. francisn

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    For the next time, this is what you do. From under the engine, disconnect the handbrake cable at the rear of the car's frame, or dismount the handbrake mechanism from the frame of the car. You are just trying to give slack to the cable. Inside the car, pull up on the handle until it points to the sky. Lift the console straight up and out.
     
  9. kiwiokie

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    Do you have a pic of the earth strap connected to the gear shift housing? Where did the other end connect?


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  10. miked

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    Congrats on your acquisition Graham, my car, 13834, is just second before yours.

    I haven't had my console out in about 20 years so I can't give much insight but the ground (earth) strap may have been from the radio in which case it really doesn't matter where you connect it. These cars didn't come from the factory with radios so there is no "correct" place to attach the ground, each radio installer used a place that worked for them.
     
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  11. GT4andMore

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    Big apology on my part. I thought I would be alerted to any other posts on this thread so had missed the comments above;

    - Yes yelcab, you are absolutely spot on, now everything is stripped out I concur that releasing the handbrake, via the three bolts to the chassis, would make removing the console much easier. This could be done quite easily when the console is loose and access to the bolts can be gained easily from underneath. When I put everything back together I'll keep the handbrake bolts super-slack and tighten them once the console is in place.

    - I will post a couple of pics of the wiring which is heavily modified on my car. Thanks to Francis N, I now have an A1 wiring diagram on my bench. The earth strap on the gear selector feeds earths for the radio, cigarette lighter, ashtray light. I plan to reinstate the wiring as close to the original as possible.

    - In case it is of interest purchased a Lucas SPB200 65sa On/Off Toggle Switch on eBay for £10 which I plan to use for the automatic aerial. I hope to 3D print a new knob to match those elsewhere on the interior.

    - I'll get the console recovered once I have all the new switches and wiring sorted in order to ensure the holes correctly match the switches.

    - Finally I used epoxy and fibres to repair cracks and holes in the fibreglass floor, replaced the sealant around the seat supports, sills and under the rear seat with Sikaflex EBT and then finished the fibreglass floor with matt black Rustoleum all surface paint. This is never going to be a concourse car but it is great to have everything looking neat. Even if it is ultimately all going to be hidden from view!
     
  12. romeo69

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    Dec 9, 2016
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    Hi,
    found this post helpfull as I am also removing my console due to a problem wirh the radio and some cracks in the console.

    I got stuck in removing the choke cable/nechanism. I could‘nt lift the console enough to access the choke under the console. Is it easier to renove the bilts for the handbrake before? (See pic)

    Thanks for helping me out,
    Pat

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  13. GT4andMore

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    Definitely disconnect your handbrake from the cable by lifting the console. It makes all the difference in the world.
    Although I still couldnt reconnect the choke. Not a problem but if required I would disconnect at the engine and pull it through and connect it before refitting the console.
    Good luck
     

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