308 clutch cost

T RUTLANDS less than $600 for a whole kit with orings , clutch, p-plate , bearings. i thought mine was slipping, but it just needed a adjustment. call them.

 

for a shop to to this $ 1500 to 2.000

 

How many hrs does that job require?

 

OK here is why I am asking; I have been told numbers around $2000 also. If the parts CAN be bought for $600 that leaves $1400. Even at $100/hr that is 14 hrs. Does it really take 14 hours to do this??

Maybe the "book" does say 14 hrs for this but if it doesn't - am I the only one here thinking something is a bit off with the fee to replace a clutch in a 308?

 

an '81 308 probably has the self-adjusting clutch setup (as the clutch wears, the clutch pedal rises further from the floor, but there is no pedal stop which would require a freeplay adjustment and cause clutch slip when misadjusted).

the pplate, clutch, to bearing, pilot bearing and the three o-rings should cost around $450 +/- $100 depending on where you get them.

I recall someone in the archives saying they do clutches in about 6 hours. Last time I did one, it was about 8, but I wasn't moving fast, and I had to wait while oil was draining out a lower bellhousing stud before I could swab out the hole and seal up the stud...plus that was a 328, so the oil cooler had to be removed, which isn't the case on the 308.

it's actually a pretty easy job assuming you use an impact wrench to remove the ring nut on the transmission input shaft. The only pita can be separating the bell housing from the intermediate plate and prying up the locking collar on the ring nut if you are going to reuse it.

I guess if someone is quoting $1.5-$2k, including parts, it's not hugely out of whack...depends on whether they resurface the flywheel, replace the rear main seal and replace all the gear oil.

 

Alright, so far it looks like $500-$600 in parts. If you are slow, 8 hrs. so lets call it 7. That's $1300 tops at $100/hr. (and I know, first hand for the past 8 years, that excellent Ferrari labor can be found for less)

Changing gear oil takes 20min. I do it in my driveway.

Is it really a $700 job to resurface a flywheel? Once again, I do not know.

Can a mechanic itemize this service for the rest of us?

 

Correct- it all depends on what is included aside from the clutch ,pressure plate and throw-out bearing. I was quoted $1400 for a basic replacement from an independent shop in Maine. Add a machined flywheel ,main seal, etc- another $200-$300.

I decided to do it myself with $600 (including new ring nut on lower transfer gear and tool to remove it) for parts, and $50 to resurface the flywheel. In hindsight, I would have balanced the new pressure plate also. A machine shop can do this.

 

I use Eugenio to check for out of whack prices.

http://emelbon.tripod.com/eugeniosferrariservice.html

-Clutch and Pressure Plate Replacement = $1385.00
-Clutch, Pressure Plate, T.O. Bearing, Pilot Bearing and Ring Nut Replacement = $1598.00

 

Wow! My guy undercuts Eugenio! Stop the presses! LOL!

$1200 should do it any day of the week......

As Carreaper noted, the old 308 design is somewhat adjustable if you do it SOON as you note slippage, if you drive it too far the slippage itsef will glaze/burn it up, and you're done......

 

$1200 makes more sense unless you're doing LOTS of added work.

 

Yea, my guy may be cranky but he's ALWAYS sensible.

Besides, winter sets in and a lot of repair shops really slow down.

 

$2k is about right depending on work involved and if more bearings than the 'basics' are replaced. Forget what other ones were replaced on the car here, but i like a thorough job.

Also, just wondering if anyone here also has their rear main seal changed during a clutch change? It may seem like overkill, but am just wondering as due to my main rear seal leaking this summer ($40 part) we had to take the whole thing apart and while we were deep in there we looked at the clutch... changed that as well and various bearings/etc as it added little labor really.

 

I changed it on an '80 308, and didn't change it on my '89 328. Neither was weeping. I'd take into consideration whether you have the right tool to install the new seal (a piece of pvc pipe/cap from the hardware store works)...if you cock it when installing, you can easily create a problem where non existed.

it is a cheap enough part, and if the pilot bearing is getting replaced, it's only a few minutes to change the seal since the flywheel is out. I guess if I was paying someone to change the clutch, I'd probably cough up the extra $40 to change the seal...if it leaks, they get to redo the job to fix it.

The clutch shaft seal at the xfer case end I didn't change, and did not replace the bearing(s) on the transmission input shaft.

 

Yes, as my clutches in street use last a long time....

You 'track burners' may change clutches so often the seal could last thru several plate changes......

It usually takes The Art Car Parade to burn mine, as the 100,000+ crowd is chanting..."spin out! spin out!....SPIN OUT!" ........LOL!

And so it goes.....

 

According to the receipt I have from Algars in Philly from 2 years ago when my '85 was done, the flywheel resurfacing was $53. I'm sure there was extra labor for removal and replacement on top of that. Total bill was $7,500, but that included an "engine out" 30k service and new clutch, and Algars isn't really known for their discount pricing.

 

Algar is quite reputable, and that's a pretty good price for the 30K PLUS clutch.......

 

It takes 4 hours to do if you do not surface the flywheel.

 

Why would you NOT at least lightly resurface it to insure a fresh surface? i know it is a 'wear' item, but if you have the room to lightly do it to insure things.... Maybe i am clueless???

 

imo, grinding the flywheel is only necessary if it's badly scored/checked/glazed. A light sanding to break any glaze is good enough.

balancing the pplate? Dunno what that would mean...I assume you'd have to balance the pplate, clutch disc and flywheel as an assembly. I doubt you'd ever notice a difference, so don't do it.

$73/hr sounds good. Out here on the left edge of the country, shop rates of $125-$150/hr are pretty common.

 

When you're cutting metal, particulary metal the has been heat cycled like a flywheel or rotor, a light cut would be in the .015-.020" range....which isn'nt really light. I guess if you find some one wiht a grinder they could take a few thousanths off, but a cutting machine would have to go deeper to get a clean cut. I just sand mine with about 60 grit unless I see something that scares me.

The carbon-carbon clutch I put in has a carbon wear disk for the flywheel face, so nothing ever rubs on the flywheel, it never needs anything...ofcourse the clutch itself is a bit dear....

 

Alright, now we know that a clutch R&R on a 308 is a 4-5 hr job. It is safe to say the the average labor for Ferrari is $100.

Parts:$650-$700 tops.

Algar charges about $53 to resurface the flywheel. Can't be much more now in 2005.


Why would anybody pay more then $1300 for it?

Can somebody tell me where the extra $700 is going for a total of $2000+ that I have been quoted in the past?

 

liability and workers comp insurance, upkeep on the pretty building that some customers want, the support staff manning the parts dept and the espresso machine, advertising (and racing) , back office staff, profit, the ring nut socket, and a little more profit.

The independent guy working out of a tilt-up unit has very little of that overhead.