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3.2 Mondial CamBelt

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by MondialNeil, Aug 10, 2007.

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  1. MondialNeil

    MondialNeil Formula Junior

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    Hi

    I have read the other thread on cambelt replacement with interest, but all I have become is confussed especially now I have read the Ferrari handbook that came with the car and what supplying dealer said and what I have read on here.

    In the Ferrari handbook it say change the belts every 2 years, doesn't mention jockey wheels but probably they are best replaced as well.

    The supplying dealer told me every 4 years.

    On the thread here it seems that 3 years is the right time.

    OK, question when should I change the belts and jockey wheels on my 1988 3.2 Mondial?
     
  2. lusso64

    lusso64 Formula 3

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    This is one of those perennial questions. Ferrari's CURRENT recommendation in the USA is every 3 years or 30K miles, whichever comes first. The consensus is that this is probably a little conservative. In other countries, I believe the interval is still set at 5 years/30K for the older cars at least. The difference, if it exists, is certainly due to liability issues - nothing else.

    If I was in your shoes, I'd probably change them every 3 years, simply because it is pretty easy to do on a 308 or 328. As I have a Mondial t where the engine needs to come out to do this service, I'll probably aim for every 5 years, although I will almost certainly hit 30K first. I just did the service myself, and it had been about 5 years, maybe more, but in the 20 months I have had the car I have done more than 20K miles.

    Anyway, do it yourself - it's easy, fun, and a great learning experience. And you'll save a ton of money.
     
  3. MondialNeil

    MondialNeil Formula Junior

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    Thanks lusso64

    I would do them myself I can do most things, doing an engine swap on one of my BMW's at the moment.

    If I do the belts my self I would need to get all the static timing right but I have no manual where can I get this info.

    Cheers

    Neil.
     
  4. lusso64

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  5. MondialNeil

    MondialNeil Formula Junior

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    #5 MondialNeil, Aug 11, 2007
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    Cheers Lusso64

    Is the manual a workshop manual, never been able to get one in the UK. How much are the manuals ?

    To do just the belts, would it just be the 2 belts and the tensioning bearings/jockey wheels.

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  7. MondialNeil

    MondialNeil Formula Junior

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    Hi Guys

    One more question, can the belts and the bearings/jockey wheel be changed with the engine in the car, getting more interested in doing it myself.
     
  8. snj5

    snj5 F1 World Champ

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    Yes on a 1988 Mondial 3.2; remove the rear startboard wheel and wheelwell to get started!
    Good luck and have fun!!
     
  9. MondialNeil

    MondialNeil Formula Junior

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    What is the best manual for me to use for the job which tells me all the timming marks for the cams and crank and tension for the belts.
     
  10. trevsked

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    Neil,

    I thought the standard handbook gives the timing marks? Assuming you have one. I know Nick with the GT4 did his and seem to remember him saying to lock the cams in position and mark them so they don't move. I think you can then release the tension, remove the belt, replace and re-tension. I believe tension is taken up with the tensioner itself and that is sufficient. Sounds easy but not done it myself although will do when the time comes.
    Will you be going along to the Slough pizza night in September?

    Regards Trevor.
     
  11. MondialNeil

    MondialNeil Formula Junior

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    trevsked, thanks for the reply, sounds easy, met Nick outside halfords in Uxbridge, will get the Sealy tool and give it a go, think I did read also that the right tension was applied by the tensioner bearings, might be there in September, trying to repaint the number plate area of my car at the moment.

    Neil.
     
  12. MondialNeil

    MondialNeil Formula Junior

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    Have bought a Sealy Cam lock tool, so will be doing my own cambelt changes from now.
     
  13. lusso64

    lusso64 Formula 3

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    Neil,

    While the cam locks can make the process easier, I can't stress enough the importance of checking the timing properly - with a degree wheel. The cam marks on the pre 348 V8s are notorious for being wrong. Chances are that your current belt has stretched some so the new belt will result in a timing change anyway. It is also possible that the previous belt change was done incorrectly or that the belt is loose enough to have jumped a tooth or two - without checking you're just putting it back on incorrectly.

    Dave
     
  14. f355spider

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    Ditto that! Do not trust the marks for anything more than "getting you close". There are many threads from the experts explaining in detail if you are unconvinced of using degree wheels.
     

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