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250 LM at Auction - s/n 6045

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  1. readplays

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    You are confusing fact and opinion.

    My post above is wholly based in fact and is a description of the 'why' of numbers.
    I politely tried to provide a historical basis for why this thing you apparently don't like exists.
    I did not in any way state my opinion.
     
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  3. Rossocorsa1

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    I’m well aware of why they exist. If the livery on this car, or any other car, was original to a historic moment in racing history, than I get it. But, the car is restored, as most of these cars are. So, if the owner likes the big white dots and numbers, good for him. I don’t. I understand your point, I just don’t agree with it. It isn’t a capital offense. It’s an opinion. I think we can all agree, the car is stunning.
     
  4. turbo-joe

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    link works fine for me with chrome and firefox, but there are no photos
     
  5. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Hmm...why is this being sold at the dealer? Does it belong to the dealership owner(s)?
     
  6. Rossocorsa1

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    Hmmm. It works fine for me via Safari and Chrome.
     
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  8. tx246

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    If i were a rich man da da da di dah
     
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  13. miurasv

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    The video.

     
  14. NunoRosso

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    What's the racing history of this car? Barchetta says it has none.
     
  15. Rossocorsa1

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    Good question. I'm not a competition car historian, but I don't believe it has significant racing history, although it certainly has fascinating, if not controversial provenance.
     
  16. rob lay

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    I asked this before and no one will tell me the history. :) It is Ferrari Classiche certified so it is 100% original chasis and engine right? :)
     
  17. Rossocorsa1

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    Well, this thread has passionately debated that question.
     
  18. rob lay

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    I'll go back and read all of it. It is a dated thread and from what I've seen users just hint and tip toe.
     
  19. Rossocorsa1

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    It’s a good read, with no clear resolution.
     
  20. Texas Forever

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    Risi is not just a dealer.


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  21. merstheman

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    As is too frequent in discussion of these cars. Wish someone just stated clearly what is and what isn't.
     
  22. BJK

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    Well, if you read the thread, the only thing clear is that it's NOT clear what it is and what it isn't. o_O :confused: ;)
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  23. Rossocorsa1

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    No question, Giuseppe Risi is incredibly respected and highly regarded in the Ferrari universe, but it still isn’t common to see a 250LM sitting in a dealers showroom floor, particularly in the US.
     
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  24. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    From the moment the car was sold to Hamilton and Kelly and had the chassis number tube removed the damage was done. Original pictures show a complete rolling chassis sans bodywork that existed at that point (circa 1976) while Richard Freshman built an entirely new car (circa 1980). Thats the Ferrari Classiche position. Vested interests dictate that Freshmans was actually the more original or that Hamilton/ Kellys was more original. The Freshman camp declares that Carrozzeria Autosport built a whole new chassis (circa 1982) for the Hamilton/ Kelly car thus muddying the waters, Ferrari claimed they only fitted new bodywork and the original chassis was repaired by Ferrari themselves. Both cars were bought by DK Engineering and sent to Classiche in 2012 and all original parts built into one car, the other was destroyed.

    Thats the edited highlights.
     
  25. merstheman

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    Thanks!
     
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    #399 miurasv, Jan 21, 2021
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    It's said that there were differences between all the 32 cars made with no 2 identical.

    I'd guess that only 6025 had any quilting in the interior as originally supplied and then 5995 when it was made into a stradale.

    Some cars have a dead pedal and some don't. 6105 in the link here that I'd say has had some thought into it being as originally supplied.
     
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  28. Marcel Massini

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    Here is the quilting in 5975, a super genuine and original 250 LM sitting in the legendary "Schlumpf" museum in France since 1967.

    Marcel Massini

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